Active Weather Ahead

SnapshotFinally, the slow weather is going to come to an end over the next few days.  A mix of low level fog along with higher clouds again tonight.  I’m thinking that increasing cloud cover overnight actually should lift the fog a bit by morning.
Tomorrow should be another gray day with a mix of fog and clouds.  00z models are more insistent on holding off cold-front related rain until well after sunset Friday, even at the Coast.  This system races inland with maybe .20-.40" in the Valleys and double that in the mountains by Saturday morning.  The strong westerly flow opening up behind the front should squeeze all available moisture out of the airmass Saturday in the mountains.  When the flow runs perpendicular into the mountains, we get good snow totals.  Maybe a foot total from tomorrow evening into Sunday A.M.
The next system is looking quite a bit stronger for Sunday.  In fact I had already imported this coast graphic before I saw the 00z MM5-NAM & GFS versions both have 45 knot surface wind moving onto the Coastline during the day on Sunday (I’m watching these things closely for some reason).  So we may end up with 60 mph gusts easily if trends continue out there.
This illustrates a good point for next week;  with a fast westerly flow and numerous shortwaves moving through, expect frequent model changes with respect to low pressure centers and "wind zones".  For that matter, the snow level is relatively low (2,000′?) several times during the upcoming week, so we need to keep an eye out for any "offshore" flow events that could lower the snow level farther.  That said…nothing really sticks out at me on the maps as a big wind storm or snow event through the middle of next week.  But keep tuned!  Mark Nelsen   

175 Responses to Active Weather Ahead

  1. Camas Mom says:

    Hey – that was my post down there and my name didn’t show up! I haven’t seen that before.

  2. Joe says:

    Snowing on Lancaster in Salem. Odd. 39f.

  3. stevied (North Portland.... formerly Steve D) says:

    Seriously, Sean. Go easy on us out here.

  4. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    15-20″? What a low blow. I swear Sean if I hadn’t gone to school with you and you weren’t my friend I’d request for you to be banned with that wise crack 🙂 Lol….
    Sounds wonderful….

  5. Anonymous says:

    Bragger….

  6. Sean (Lebanon, IN) says:

    If the 00z NAM is right I could end up with 15-20″ by Sunday afternoon. Waiting to see what the GFS comes in with..

  7. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    If you remember a the other day I mentioned there was a SLIGHT possibility of this. I certainly am not expecting snow. Perhaps we initially see a mix in the areas only influenced by the Gorge outflow. Seems fairly reasonable given the DPs falling nicely now.

  8. Jesse-Orchards says:

    Rob, I notice PDX just reported SE winds gusting to near 25 mph.
    Definitely wasn’t forecasted to be this gusty.
    DP at PDX has dropped to 32 in the last hour as well. DP here is 33. Both locations had DPs in the upper 30s just a few hours ago. Drier air obviously being carried in by the ESE winds.

  9. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    As of 7:00 PM
    PDX-EUG -0.2
    TTD-DLS -5.5

  10. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    Sean,
    Yep it looks more and more favorable. You couple that with the offshore flow I mentioned and the snow level has to be very low.

  11. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    Corbett G 57.
    Far exceeds what was forecast.

  12. Sean (Lebanon, IN) says:

    Rob – Looking at the 00z NAM it keeps 850 temps below freezing with your system..

  13. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    Jesse,
    I agree with you. We only need to be marginally cold as we will, then you add light N or E flow at the surface and likely aloft with the low remaining south and PRESTO!

  14. Jesse-Orchards says:

    Everyone who is saying the air will be too “warm” for snow Tuesday, even if the low goes to our south, should look at thicknesses and 850mb temps. It’s not like this is going to be a balmy tropical system or anything. The storm itself will be quite cold. If we can simply get some steady, heavy precip and cut off the marine influence, it really wouldn’t take much to drop snow to sea level, even with only marginally cold air east side.

  15. Andrew---Ellensburg, Wa and Portrland, Or says:

    Moderate snowfall coming down here currently, about 1 inch of new snow. Gotta drive over the pass tomorrow on my way back down to portland, going to be a fun one haha

  16. Sean (Lebanon, IN) says:

    I love the 00Z NAM..
    Oh sorry, looks like a pretty rainy day..

  17. Cherie_in_Vernonia says:

    Hey all…37 & soggy :0) Getting ready for what sounds like a more normal Oregon weekend?? Anything big coming??
    ===
    Off topic…
    Great to meet gratefulduck & his wife today! Thank you much for your time & caring! As he said…driving thru town things kinda look better…but only on the outside. All sheetrock & insulation needs stripped still. Gonna be a long haul.

  18. josh says:

    funny Tyler.

  19. josh"fromEverett,WA" THE SNOWMAN says:

    00z getting ready to crank up. Everyone cross your fingers :).

  20. Tyler in NW Vancouver (Hazel Dell) says:

    I see the snow level Monday night being at 277′. My house is at 276′, so just a cold rain there.

  21. Luvrydog (from home in Beaverton) says:

    well yeah Josh, you’re that much farther north…I’m talking about PDX.

  22. josh"fromEverett,WA" THE SNOWMAN says:

    I don’t agree Luv. Where I come from -7 850’s with low 520 thicknesses spells snow. Of course I am talking about my area :).
    Does show the low pressure heading right through Olympia though. Another 100 miles difference and you guys are right there as well. Still 4 days out….

  23. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    Back from dinner.
    Aly,
    Nice gradient updates. You filled in nicely 🙂 Feel free to do so anytime.
    As of 6:00 PM
    PDX-EUG -0.6
    TTD-DLS -5.8
    Nice to see Corbett gusting around 50mph. That wasn’t forecast by anyone.
    Let’s wait for the 00z model data before we speculate any further about if the low pushes north, a wind storm, etc. At least that’s the route I am taking. If I don’t I will become insane from gazing endlessly at the models and thinking of all of the “what if” scenarios.
    Gratefulduck,
    That’s very nice of you to go out and volunteer as you did. I think they will be back on their feet very soon. Hopefully the ones that were less fortunate will receive all of the funds$ and assistance they will truly need to begin to rebuild their lives.

  24. Luvrydog (from home in Beaverton) says:

    I believe MR. nelson’s thoughts on this will mirror my post earlier…hehe.
    I think it will just be a little to warm around these parts Josh.

  25. josh"fromEverett,WA" THE SNOWMAN says:

    Funny how the NWS just copies and pastes snow levels in the extended because they haven’t a clue:
    “Hey Steve, let’s just put 2000′ each day, sound good?”
    “Sure does” lol
    http://www.weatherunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=98068

  26. josh"fromEverett,WA" THE SNOWMAN says:

    Somebody want to tell me why there is no mention of lowland snow for Monday PM/Tuesday timeframe???
    Any half-wit(myself included), could see that conditions are ripe. Low thicknesses, low 850 temps, low surface temps, and moisture.
    Am I seeing this wrong or is everybody just being cautious, Mark included. Would like to hear Mark’s thoughts on this.

  27. Ryan (Walnut Grove/Van Mall) says:

    As goes for 98% of all our snow potential…. most likely down to 500′ or 1000′ with just cold or slushy rain to the valley floor.

  28. Tyler in NW Vancouver (Hazel Dell) says:

    The low next Thursday looks interesting, coming in from the NW just south of Portland. This would keep us in the cool air. Unfortunately, temps don’t look that cold.

  29. Ryan (Walnut Grove/Van Mall) says:

    I think the models need to show the low pushing the the Central Oregon Coast through the weekend before it gets mention. The mets never get on board with sow until it is as close to a sure thing as possible.
    With the models trending the low north as Rob mentioned it is even more incentive for NOT mentioning snow.
    If it is still there on Sunday we will probably start hearing about it.

  30. Luvrydog (from home in Beaverton) says:

    Well, in looking at models, data, etc…and talking to a few people, I really have a feeling that tuesday would not be cold enough, even if the low goes to the South. There will never be a chance for high pressure to develop eastside and no arctic air near us to supply the cold dry air to the east side. Along with that, the air over us will not be that cold. I of course, could be wrong but I’m sticking to nothing below 500-1000 feet even with the low going south next tuesday 🙂

  31. Tornado Aly (Vancouver) says:

    gorge winds should be gusty now…
    TTD-DLS is -5.7 now
    Rob, you’re slacking! Just kidding 🙂
    They will not mention the potential snow or wind until models come into better agreement, and it is closer to the event.

  32. David says:

    channel 8 made no mention of wind or snow next week….anyone think this will get looked at soon if its going to happen you would think they would start to ramp up predictions by now.

  33. gratefulduck (weather blog lurker) says:

    Non weather..
    Everyone… My wife and I went out to Vernonia today and volunteered.. We got to meet Cherie in Vernonia.. what wonderful woman! Very kind.. Anyway..They are going to be doing a big push out there tomorrow and could use as many hands as they can get. There is still a lot to do out there (even though it doesnt necassarily look like it). There are many homes that still need to be stripped out and firewood delivered out to homes. I guess what I am trying to say is this.. if you can spare the time it would be huge help to the community…
    gratefulduck

  34. Anonymous says:

    So Vanc Island may eat up our low……AGAIN.

  35. kcteach says:

    How about the wind gusts in Troutdale and Corbett
    http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/mwmap.php?map=portland

  36. Tornado Aly (Vancouver) says:

    He has a low of 35 here on Tuesday

  37. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    I like seeing that Mark has lowered Tuesday to 40 now. A nice trend….
    I did have another thought from Sunday to around Christmas with the jet pushing this far south that it’s not out of the question we could see a S wind event/storm. It’s just something I am considering.
    Be back later.

  38. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    As of 4:00 PM
    TTD-DLS -5.3
    Well I’m hoping not. We want the low to move no further north than Albany.

  39. K(p)=k(c)(RT)^n says:

    Rob unfortunately I know this trend all too well, I expect the same thing to occur as well.

  40. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    I am a bit concerned the 00z runs may shift the low a bit further north…. Anyone else thinking this? It’s not even because we seemingly always get the screw job either, it just seems perhaps this will occur. GFS had pushed the low all the way south onto the central California Coast and since then it’s progressively pushed things north. That along with the EURO persistently placing the low off the northern-central Oregon Coast is why I have come to such a conclusion.
    This leaves Dr. Rob quite perplexed as to what will end up happening.

    So very, very perplexed…

  41. John - Aloha says:

    who is going to dress as a fruit?

  42. luvrydog (Beaverton near 185th) says:

    THAT’S more like it, except I would probably be a beer stein.

  43. Tornado Aly (Vancouver) says:

    Rob can dress up as a snowflake, Luvry as a russian commrade, and Jacob as a flower.

  44. S.D. (North Portland) says:

    Come on luvry, take one for the team! LOL

  45. luvrydog (Beaverton near 185th) says:

    Rob, I’m not dressing up like a flower…NO WAY!