Expect Some Snow Tonight

11:30am Tuesday…

It appears that just about all of us in the metro area should wake up to a blanket of white Wednesday morning and snow should be falling too.

There are still some variations in all of our different weather models this morning, but they all show at least SOME snow and a few of the models are actually showing a real snowstorm by tomorrow morning/midday.  All of the models are in now until later this evening so this is a bit of a “final call” forecast-wise.

WHAT IS MOST LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IN METRO AREA

  • Light rain showers the rest of the daylight hours
  • East wind ramps up through the day and will be quite gusty east metro through the night, gusts 30-40 mph
  • During the late evening (after 8pm), those light rain showers turn to light snow showers
  • Temps drop to around freezing late this evening (well after 8pm), probably not a sudden freeze-up, but wet roads turn slushy/snowy. First in the hills where it’s colder, then lower elevations
  • Clark county and east metro will only see very light snow showers, not a whole lot of accumulation
  • Late tonight and the first half of Wednesday the snow showers turn to steady snow with temps at/below freezing
  • By midday tomorrow when it’s mainly done, expect 1-4″ snow on the ground in the metro area, lightest eastside and north in Clark county.  Heaviest west metro
  • Snow showers end tomorrow afternoon and then any wet roads will freeze Wednesday night with some clearing.

HOW THIS IS LIKELY TO AFFECT YOU

  • This evening’s commute is totally clear, in fact most roads will be just fine all the way toward midnight
  • Expect lots of school closures tomorrow in the areas where 1″ or more falls, maybe just some delays eastside and Clark county?  Depends on how much falls
  • The AM commute could be quite snowy, especially if our “wetter” models are correct
  • The PM commute Wednesday may not be too bad since we’ll probably go above freezing and many roads turn wet, especially arterials & freeways

WHAT COULD CHANGE?

  1. Some of our models are wetter, which would be a real snowstorm late tonight and Wednesday AM.  2-5″ more widespread, I think that’s less likely
  2. Temps only drop to 32-34 tonight, limiting snow accumulation on roads.  If that happens, roads would be in much better shape for Wednesday.
  3. If the driest models are correct, and we wake up to only a dusting to 1″.  I think this is unlikely as well.

OTHER AREAS

Salem/Albany/Kelso/Longview:  Trace to 2″ snow late tonight.  There is an outside chance some freezing rain mixes in.  We’ll see

Oregon Coast:  Nothing to 1″ at best by sunrise Wednesday  Areas from Tillamook to Astoria MIGHT see snow in the morning, but that’s a real tough forecast.

Columbia River Gorge:  3-5″  not a big snowstorm, but it’ll add onto the big “base” you already have.  Until 8pm this evening there could be spots of freezing rain west end.  I’ve got maybe 1/10″ of glaze here at home from this morning’s rain showers (at 32 degrees)

 




Is it possible to just make an easy snow forecast around here?  No, not most of the time.  And this time is especially tricky since some parts of the metro area may see very little snow and others get a real snowstorm by Wednesday AM.  It’s interesting that the NWS is going for very light accumulations all around with only a winter weather advisory, yet in previous storms they tended to go for the highest totals.  All part of the winter drama this year!  I feel better this morning that the general theme is the same across most of the modeling we use; the west side metro likely gets the most snow this time and least will be closer to the Cascades and north.

It’s also pretty clear that this is not like some of our previous snow events/storms in which a wall of snow starts falling and we quickly ice up.  In the case of this evening it’ll take awhile for cool air to work its way in from the east and precip intensity isn’t so great either through at least midnight.  Kind of a slow-starting snow “storm”.

One of my thoughts this morning has been “where is all the cold air going to come from to freeze us up tonight?”  Then I checked the WRF-GFS temp maps for 2,000′ and 3,000′ elevations.  The storm moving by to the south and low pressure to the southwest DO pull cold air right into the east end of the Gorge.  27 degrees at 3,000′ over Hood River/The Dalles right now drops to 12-14 degrees at that elevation by 4am!  Then that air is sucked through the Gorge, so I’m pretty confident the entire metro area will be 32 degrees or lower by sunrise Wednesday. But no, not a hard freeze tonight.

How about that morning ECMWF?  That’s my ‘ol trusty model and it’s forecasting a snowstorm for most of the metro.  It’s generating far more precip:

ecmwf_precip

and that means more snow

ecmwf_snow

The WRF-GFS is pathetic, but still gives a big 1″ or so west metro.  It would say you wake up to a dusting AT BEST for 2/3 of the metro area.

wrf_snow_4pmwed

That model uses the GFS for its initialization…here’s the GFS:

gfs_snow

Same idea with almost nothing central/east metro.

We’ll see how it all turns out, it almost never ends up exactly as any one model is showing…so in the end I decided to stick with the 1-4″ metro snow forecast, giving a little nod to the wetter ECMWF, but not ignoring the real dry models totally either.

Chief Meteorologist Mark Nelsen

87 Responses to Expect Some Snow Tonight

  1. JERAT416 says:

    Or maybe stand a few feet further away …

  2. Bert says:

    Can somebody explain the dome.
    Thanks
    Bert
    Live nea PCC Rock Creek

  3. Jake-(Gresham) says:

    Just West of Fairview near Nadaka Park and Gresham DMV. Current temp. is down to 36F after a high of 38F.

    Here we go!

  4. Lurkyloo says:

    Slight flurries here.

  5. Hal in Aims says:

    occasional flurries……….32 degrees…….breeze out of the east…….

  6. geo says:

    Snowing very lightly here in sw gresham-east wind picking up-33.4 degrees.

    • geo says:

      Wow! went from tiny flakes to almost quarter size flakes here in sw gresham. snoe really starting to pick up.

  7. Mama Druid says:

    Light snow flakes falling on I-84, passing by the exit for 33rd right now.

  8. runrain says:

    W7, if you look outside right now, you will see snowflakes! Now, we’re about 150 feet above the street, but they are falling. About one every 10 seconds. Seriously!

    • anonymouse says:

      The Dome is failing NOOOOOO!!

    • W7ENK says:

      I’m down at the waterfront, basically at street level. I just ran to the window and stared out the South side of my building the moment I read that… and saw nothing. 😥

      I really really really really really really really REALLY want some snow!!!

    • Paul D says:

      AACK! Chain up the car! 🙂

    • runrain says:

      That proves it, then. The Dome has nothing to do with Milwaukie. It’s W7! Don’t let him anywhere near your neighborhood!!

  9. W7ENK says:

    Updated map differentiating between areas that will see non-sticking snowflakes (RED), and areas that will only get cold rain (BLUE), per my previous comments.

    Another way to look at it: It’s the difference between strong (RED) and severe (BLUE) disappointment. 😆

    • W7ENK says:

      lolololololol

      Latest HRRR output shows almost exactly what I’ve been saying with my “Dome” map today!!

      See?? I don’t just make this stuff up…

    • PDX-Hawks says:

      There sure is a well defined “dome” in that HRRR image. You might be onto something here…

    • W7ENK says:

      Closing in on 40 years of intimate, first-hand experience observing this phenomenon we’ve taken to calling “The Dome,” I should hope I’ve got a pretty good handle on how it works by now. It has a verified, qualifiable precedent that outdates me by at least 20+ years, too!

    • specialK says:

      Rootin’ for a dome BUST!

    • PDX-Hawks says:

      If you turned off that nuclear reactor under you house it might help. Guessing you and everyone else under that dome gets 4+ by the time it’s all said and done.

    • W7ENK says:

      I’m trying, man! I can’t find the kill switch!!

    • specialK says:

      W7ENK – I take it you’re a ham? Maybe hear you out there. I’m usually just on 2m.

      K7YUF

  10. Alohabb says:

    So a bunch of snow, it warms up and roads are driveable ? Then it re freezes if roads are still wet?

  11. Max in Fairview says:

    Light snow falling here. Wasn’t expecting to be this early.

  12. Casey says:

    1:35 and we’ve got steady snow at Sylvan Hill. Might be a bit earlier than expected.

  13. Jake-(Gresham) says:

    Great post by Cliff Mass on the lack of computer model strength for the US:

    http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/

  14. Roland Derksen says:

    No new snow here- just sunny skies for the next 3 days and cold overnight temperatures. Could get down to 14F tomorrow night. After Friday, looks like the long cold spell may be coming to a rainy end. Today is day#37 for me- that ties 2008-09.

  15. Jennifer Collins says:

    Sorting through these comments trying to figure out what Gresham will do? I live out in east Gresham by Troutdale….is the forecast saying Gresham gets little to no snow?

    • Stan says:

      I would jst look out the window and check the closure list in the morning. The comments by the wannabe mets (Jake, W7ENK) and the wishcasters (Diana F) will only confuse.

    • PDX-Hawks says:

      Great advice, Stan. Why would anyone in their right mind want to chat, speculate, discuss or learn anything about weather on a WEATHER blog?! Time to pack it up folks… just watch your windows tonight.

      Since we can’t chat about the weather, sports? Do you think Seattle’s newly found power run game has the chance to dominate against Atlanta’s 27th ranked run defense like they did against Detroit?

    • Stan says:

      PDX-Hawk…. I’m a 40 year Niner fan who is watching the idiot known as Jed York destroy the team….. I don’t follow the SeaChickens…..

    • PDX-Hawks says:

      I am sorry about the York’s… bummer of a deal. Loved the competition during the Harbough days and a firm believer that iron sharpen’s iron.

      Anyways it’s the playoffs… do you stop watching after week 16?

      BTW – Snowing in Tigard. Seems that precip has started sooner which should start lowering temps and dew points…

  16. PDX-Hawks says:

    I like that Mark pointed out that the last couple events the NWS has been bullish on amounts which ended up being way overstated whereas Mark was more cautious in his predictions which for the most part came true. Here’s to hoping that with the NWS downplaying the amounts and Mark predicting more that his record holds true.

    I was using the NWS FD and warnings to base my level of excitement off of and well, needless to say was a bit disappointed. Here’s to hoping that the west side gets the higher end of that 1-4″.

  17. Jake-(Gresham) says:

    https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/

    Who wants to help me watch this map and procrastinate on my engineering homework?

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      This is a bad way to start a term. Grabs more coffee, stares at map, hits F5, stares at map some more.

    • gggcorno says:

      Interesting map – haven’t seen this one before. I’m not sure I like how some of the overlays work, but overall it’s worth adding to the toolbox.

      One thing that caught my attention is that the colder air east of the Cascades is already pretty moist. Won’t this minimize opportunities for evaporational cooling once the cold air gets here? So it seems that we should be due for big snowflakes in the PDX area if the air doesn’t moderate much – but there’s no dewpoint help if it does moderate.

      And speaking of procrastination, what kind of engineering are you doing, Jake?

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Yeah you got a point there. I believe the evening arrival after sunset will help with the temperatures however!

      Computer Science via online from OSU:
      http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/online-cs-students

      First BS was from PSU in science.

    • Diana F says:

      This is a very cool map indeed! I say you knock it out and THEN play!

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      I’m going to do that tomorrow. More tongue in cheek comment. Only have on class this term hehehe! Splurging on da weather.

      Heck ya.

  18. Jake-(Gresham) says:

    I’m pretty confident for whatever reason the gorge will do it’s thing, the moisture arrives after sunset for this system, and the ground here is still covered in Winter precipitation.

    I feel everyone will at least get 3 inches. Being here off and on since 2006 I think we got this one. Obviously when I was 18 back in 2008. I’d want that again. But beggars can’t be choosers.

    Glad you’re on board. 😛

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Curse you WordPress!

    • GTS1K' says:

      Something (radar) tells me the moisture is knocking on our door now. Looks as if it’s reached OC already…

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      That is another weather system largely supposed to arrive just South of Astoria and then die over PDX. Not really going to bring anything but very cold rain from what the models indicate.

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Whops, that system has already passed. Yea, that’s the system coming in now…

      Jeez it’s early and looking to pack a pretty good punch!

    • GTS1K' says:

      All I can tell you is that the precip appears to be about two miles from me – sittng at 33.2….

      ….and waiting.

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Man where about are you? I’m still sitting at 37F.

      I mean I got the East wind here but shoot! You live next to the polar bear exhibit at the Portland zoo or something.

      Not fair man! )_)

    • GTS1K' says:

      This isn’t me, but it’s within a mile and at the same elevation…

      KORPORTL203

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Oh next to Forest Park up in the hills, that explains it. Thanks for the info!

  19. JERAT416 says:

    Off subject, but does anyone know if the thermometer on the Rhododendron camera is accurate? I’ve noticed it’s almost always 5-10 degrees warmer than Zigzag or Brightwood. Seems odd to me.

  20. John Fairplay says:

    While it’s always disappointing to be told there’s a chance for 4 inches of snow and have it not materialize (again), you’re better off calling for it even if it never happens. If you go with the worst case – very little or no snow – and then it does snow, people are going to get into trouble on the roads. Heck, we get in trouble even when we know it’s coming!

    Still time for changes. It’s going to take some real effort to get enough cold air into the entire Metro area for widespread snow in the next 20 hours. The odds that any “bust” is caused by lack of enough cold air are greater than that the cause is lack of moisture, but we’ve seen plenty of times when the front stops short of the Metro.

    I have my fingers and toes crossed!

  21. Jerry says:

    So for Carson, what, 6-10″ more on top of the 2 1/2 feet I have now? So glad I bought the snow blower yesterday.

  22. GTS1K' says:

    East wind evident now in tops of firs on the ridge to my South, fog lifted or blown away, down to 33.2 – no dome for me…

  23. Paul D says:

    This is soooo different than the last two (boring) winters!! Bring it on!! I’ll be at home watching it happen!

  24. Diana F says:

    Oh and for sure I too was thinking “where IS the cold air coming from for this event”? It’s 39 outside!

    And, of course, you addressed this!

  25. Diana F says:

    Great recap as always, thanks Mark.

    BUT DANG IT!

    It is so frustrating to be in East Vancouver where less than an inch is forecast, but 5 miles west of me, at the I-5 bridge, it’s forecast to get 2 to 4 inches!

    MARK, can you tell us*******WHY HAS EAST CLARK COUNTY SO OUT OF THE ZONE, yet JUST East of us in Camas is typically IN the ZONE?*****

    Maybe I need to get a hotel room to watch the storm… five miles down the road. Or I could watch it from my roof. Or Traffic Cams.

    Gahhhh.

    • runrain says:

      Dome 2.1 maybe?

    • Stan says:

      Good grief!! Go to the mountains to get your weird snow fixation.

    • Laura -- Weather Group Outcast says:

      I don’t get it either. Why whine about not getting snow at your location when we can take a very short drive and have all the snow we want? Especially people who live in places that rarely get snow… why whine? It is how it always is. Move if you don’t like it.

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Camas has the elevation.

      You and I are parallel to each other most likely from across the Columbia river (I’m just West of Fairview near Nadaka park).

      My guess from what I’ve seen growing up here all my life is that we live right in the ‘no man’s land’ of the struggle between the moist valley air and the arctic air of the gorge. Sometimes we score big from that. An example 2008:

      It was the most insane weather I’ve ever seen. Snowing, windy for 10 minutes, gusting for 5 minutes, then snowing so hard it was near blizzard conditions all in there at various point.

      Downright unpredictable and dangerous. I can only imagine what it was like 150 years ago trying to settle this land. Fully at the mercy of the dynamics between the gorge and valley. Troutdale, predictable – ranging wind. We’ve got the sweet spot IMO (and we all know what happens when one has too much sugar…). I’ve gone out before in a snowstorm thinking it was okay to do so only to find out a bit far from home. Hey it’s pretty darn bad out here.

      I don’t doubt in settlement times people have frozen to death going to look for firewood or something because the ‘worst’ seemed to have passed.

    • Diana F says:

      Hey Jake I checked out your location and yup, we are in fact across river neighbors. And I do remember 2008 for sure. I have an 8 year old born October 08!

      So YES we do get some good ones, for sure!

      It just seems so odd to me that we’re often surrounded by snowfall, just a mile away. (I am at just under 300′ elevation BTW).

      I don’t remember, over the years, such marked delineation within such a small area. I think it’s scientifically fascinating, and yes frustrating. I am such a whiner, sheesh.

      Here’s a few things I hear from my neck of the woods-
      * One of the neighbors is convinced it’s because of “chemtrails”.
      * Another says emissions from SEH.
      * A pilot friend it could have something to do with a well used flight path that is directly over our neighborhood. Like every day.
      * But then again, it’s also a very well used GEESE path! Flocks and flocks that you can hear before you see–in the classic, massive “v” formation. Always impressive.
      * A Safeway guy says it’s because of:
      “The Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) Ross Complex in Vancouver, Washington, is inactive power distribution facility that coordinates the distribution of hydroelectric power to areas throughout the Pacific Northwest. During the course of past operations, various heavy metals, as well as organic and inorganic compounds, were used and improperly disposed of into trenches and storm drains. Contamination of soils, water, and air resulted”.

      Lots of stuff to think about, can’t wait to see what happens over night!✌🏾

    • Matt (Vancouver 98683 @150ft) says:

      Diana – don’t worry about the people who don’t get our “passion”. I hear you!

    • Diana F says:

      Thanks Matt…..and no worries. Words can instantly paint a thousand pictures, the kind that show up in everyones mind that’s on this blog for the right reasons lol. Just plain mean & un-sportsmanship-like conduct sticks out pretty well all on its own, too #noshame #GeekChic

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Here’s a few things I hear from my neck of the woods-
      * One of the neighbors is convinced it’s because of “chemtrails”.

      This one my professors would make fun of people in college for my undergrad. “Chemtrails” are nothing more than condensed moisture from the exhaust of commercial jetliners which fly at an elevation usually around 10,000ft. One of my uncles raves on this. I’ve tried to explain. I got an uncle that wraps tin foil around the electric gauge meters at my grandparents farm because the signals emmitted cause cancer. Sigh, yeah no we’re fine from this – trust me. Government gave up in the 1970’s.

      http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html

      Another says emissions from SEH.

      CO2 does effect the weather but that’s universal and if anything would increase the intensity of precipitation once it’s cold enough. Not decrease it.

      A pilot friend it could have something to do with a well used flight path that is directly over our neighborhood. Like every day.

      Meh, those planes fly by my house every day to PDX (so used to it I don’t even notice anymore). The heat from the engines isn’t enough of a factor.

      But then again, it’s also a very well used GEESE path! Flocks and flocks that you can hear before you see–in the classic, massive “v” formation. Always impressive.

      Yeah that’s awesome. Always messes up the PDX radar in the Fall lol! Poor Mark! Hahaha!

      A Safeway guy says it’s because of:
      “The Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) Ross Complex in Vancouver, Washington, is inactive power distribution facility that coordinates the distribution of hydroelectric power to areas throughout the Pacific Northwest. During the course of past operations, various heavy metals, as well as organic and inorganic compounds, were used and improperly disposed of into trenches and storm drains. Contamination of soils, water, and air resulted”.

      If those organic compounds specifically are capable of going airborn (I’d have to know the names). That could for sure change the weather. I doubt that’s the case however. If it is. The whole of PDX should be suing them.

      That sounds messed up regardless. I do know Native Americans used to drink from the Columbia river and I saw on the news a few years back one older gentlemen who said he wouldn’t spit in it now…. sad. I’ve always hate the conditions of our river. Willamette river barely meets federal safety standards 80% out of the year. I’m conservative. Let’s just say I’d not be merciful towards companies that did this crap to our soil. Totally unacceptable.

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Oops, post above reformatted.

      Here’s a few things I hear from my neck of the woods-
      * One of the neighbors is convinced it’s because of “chemtrails”.

      This one my professors would make fun of people in college for my undergrad. “Chemtrails” are nothing more than condensed moisture from the exhaust of commercial jetliners which fly at an elevation usually around 10,000ft. One of my uncles raves on this. I’ve tried to explain. I got an uncle that wraps tin foil around the electric gauge meters at my grandparents farm because the signals emmitted cause cancer. Sigh, yeah no we’re fine from this – trust me. Government gave up in the 1970’s.

      http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html

      “Another says emissions from SEH.”

      CO2 does effect the weather but that’s universal and if anything would increase the intensity of precipitation once it’s cold enough. Not decrease it.

      “A pilot friend it could have something to do with a well used flight path that is directly over our neighborhood. Like every day.”

      Meh, those planes fly by my house every day to PDX (so used to it I don’t even notice anymore). The heat from the engines isn’t enough of a factor.

      “But then again, it’s also a very well used GEESE path! Flocks and flocks that you can hear before you see–in the classic, massive “v” formation. Always impressive.”

      Yeah that’s awesome. Always messes up the PDX radar in the Fall lol! Poor Mark! Hahaha!

      A Safeway guy says it’s because of:
      “The Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) Ross Complex in Vancouver, Washington, is inactive power distribution facility that coordinates the distribution of hydroelectric power to areas throughout the Pacific Northwest. During the course of past operations, various heavy metals, as well as organic and inorganic compounds, were used and improperly disposed of into trenches and storm drains. Contamination of soils, water, and air resulted”.

      If those organic compounds specifically are capable of going airborn (I’d have to know the names). That could for sure change the weather. I doubt that’s the case however. If it is. The whole of PDX should be suing them.

      That sounds messed up regardless. I do know Native Americans used to drink from the Columbia river and I saw on the news a few years back one older gentlemen who said he wouldn’t spit in it now…. sad. I’ve always hate the conditions of our river. Willamette river barely meets federal safety standards 80% out of the year. I’m conservative. Let’s just say I’d not be merciful towards companies that did this crap to our soil. Totally unacceptable.

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      Dang it, quotes for me aren’t working. Sorry folks about that. Annoyed. >_<

  26. …what does “ol’ trusty” show for those of us over in NE oregon?…

  27. So many similarities to Jan 1979 although not as cold and as of yet, no major Metro area wide ice storm.

  28. W7ENK says:

    Forwarded from previous post:

    Watching the models struggle over tonight’s potential for snowfall, and I’m seeing one very evident signal coming out of the mix.

    I’m about 75% confident this thing busts for all of PDX metro.

    If not, then this is a CLASSIC setup for moderate to significant snow accumulations for nearly all of PDX metro, especially the Westside. HOWEVER, the cutoff line sits right around Foster Road, and down the Willamette River. Immediate Downtown Portland and points South of Foster Rd and East of the river get screwed. Temps remain just a tad too warm for falling snowflakes to stick in inner SE, and South of JCB — Milwaukie through Gladstone, and OC at river level (The Dome) — gets cold, cold rain. You’ll all be waking up in the morning to inches of snow everywhere, TV reporters LIVE in the field reporting on conditions from Troutdale to Sylvan, Vancouver to Wilsonville. Messed up traffic all over, school closures scrolling across the bottom of the screen listing every district in PDX metro… except NC12 will be disappointingly absent. We here will wake up to green, brown, and wet, but be completely surrounded by inches of snow.

    Here’s my map highlighting areas that should expect strong to severe disappointment:

    95% confidence in this solution.

    The Dome will be strong with this one.
    I’ve witnessed it happen a hundred times.
    This setup is perfect for it.

    I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

    • Indeed it will but remember the Dome is now centered over Seattle, not Milwaukie. Milwaukie is to Seattle as Hood River is to Portland when it comes to snow chances.

    • runrain says:

      Sung to “Home on the Range”

      Dome, dome, you’re so strange,
      How you push all the good stuff away,
      There’s no way to say,
      Why it don’t come our way,
      Out to Corbett we must go to play.

    • Diana F says:

      Rubus, I want to make sure I am understanding this–doesn’t it include parts of Vancouver now?

      I know I’m sitting in some kind of gd vacuum sealed bag.

      OH BTW…Anyone heard from Lee Wilson? Things got a little rough on Sunday and I haven’t seen him post since. Lee, let ys know how you’re doing!

    • Mama Druid says:

      Nice to see no disappointment in the HV.

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      runrain. Great tune. 😀

    • W7ENK says:

      Happy Valley should fare well because of cold Gorge outflow damming up against the back side of Mt. Scott… which is likely (at least part of) the reason why areas between the West face of Mt. Scott all the way to the Willamette River typically get screwed out of sticking snow in these type setups.

    • W7ENK says:

      And yes, I agree, well done runrain! Thanks for the chuckle. 😆

  29. W7ENK says:

    “Some” snow…

    sigh

    • Jake-(Gresham) says:

      I’m pretty confident for whatever reason the gorge will do it’s thing, the moisture arrives after sunset for this system, and the ground here is still covered in Winter precipitation.

      I feel everyone will at least get 3 inches. Being here off and on since 2006 I think we got this one. Obviously when I was 18 back in 2008. I’d want that again. But beggars can’t be choosers.

      Glad you’re on board.😛