Lots of Rain & Wind Ahead; Then A Drier MLK Weekend

9:45pm Sunday…

Let’s do a quick checkup on January so far:

  1. It has been VERY WARM compared to what we usually see in early January. Through the 10th, Portland is running 6 degrees above average, 7 at Redmond, and 9 degrees at Pendleton! Almost the entire USA has been much warmer than normal…who stole Winter 2020-21?

2. It has been WETTER than average across much of the PACNW, more so the farther north and west you go

What’s ahead?

  • Mild to warm conditions continue for the next 8-10 days
  • We get soaked Monday-Wednesday this week, then much drier Wednesday through the 18th-20th
  • There’s no sign of lowland cold/snow/ice west of the Cascades through at least the 20th

The Stormy Weather

I see an “atmospheric river” headed our way tomorrow through Wednesday. That’s basically a low level flow of very moist air that hits the Coast and Cascade ranges, squeezing out a lot of precipitation. Of course plenty falls along the beaches and in the valleys too, but not as much. This will be powered by the Pacific jet stream reaching from Japan all the way to the PACNW. Check out the 235 mph maximum wind over the far western Pacific Monday afternoon!

A good way to look at heavy rain events/atmospheric rivers is by using Integrated Vapor Transport (IVT); kind of like checking a river gauge to see how much water is flowing through. That’s quite a “river” tomorrow evening…

Then again Tuesday night, this is around 10pm.

Since the flow is not coming directly west-east, it’s possible we get a bit more rain into the valleys than we sometimes see. ECMWF and RPM are both pretty reasonable showing maybe 2″ in the valleys by the time it dries out Wednesday

I think 3-6″ is a good bet in the mountains around us; this is similar to what we saw this last time around. That led to minor flooding on some coastal rivers, but nothing significant inland. That said, anytime we get this much rain in just a couple days it’s fair to expect some mudslides and/or landslides in spots.

Wind is something else to watch. The boundary line between cooler air to the north and warm south of us will be sliding north/south through the region a couple times. When it is just to our north, we’ll get a gusty southerly wind, especially if a “wave” moves along the front. That should happen tomorrow night and again late Tuesday night. There is some model disagreement on how strong the wind gets based on their disagreement where the waves, or even a surface low track. Right now the ECMWF seems reasonable showing the stronger 2nd “event” late Tuesday night.

Gusts 60-70 on the beaches and 35-50 in the valleys; not a big windstorm by any means.

As of now the NWS does not have a flood watch OR any wind advisories/watches/warnings. I assume that will change in the next 12-24 hours.

To Summarize

  1. Expect light rain Monday, but it’ll turn heavy at times Monday night through early Tuesday. Then a 2nd wave of rain later Tuesday through around sunrise Wednesday. 1.50-2.50″ in valleys and 3-6″ in mountains. THIS SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR LOCALIZED PONDING OF WATER OR FLOODING, BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR A WIDESPREAD FLOOD EVENT.
  2. Expect one surge of southerly wind about this time tomorrow evening or a bit beyond, calm wind Tuesday, then a stronger surge sometime Tuesday night. NEITHER APPEARS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT WINDSTORM, but I’ll be keeping a close eye on it of course.

In the Cascades

As mentioned in a previous post, and in our podcast, Cascade snowpack is running below average for early-mid January. Things will get a bit worse over the next week. Check out the snow level forecast

Not good. Only Wednesday and late Friday/Saturday are reasonably cool. ALMOST ALL OF MONDAY-TUESDAY’S PRECIPITATION WILL FALL AS RAIN AT THE SKI RESORTS. If you want to ski, go VERY early Monday, or wait until Wednesday-Friday. Our 7 Day forecast for the Mt. Hood area…

Long Range

I’m about out of time so I’ll make it brief. There are pretty clear signals on all models that some sort of significant pattern change may arrive in the January 20th-24th timeframe. The warm ridging that is giving us mild weather, along with an atmospheric river moving through that ridge, is shifting much farther west in about 10 days. Next Sunday you can see a strong ridge right over us = mainly or all dry MLK Weekend

And here’s an example of one week later (Sunday the 24th), quite a change with heights much lower over us = cooler.

Will this finally give snow to elevations down around 2,000′ and below like a normal La Niña winter? It’s been mostly absent so far! All models at least show cooler systems coming in from the northwest at that time, and a few ensembles bring arctic air down from the north. It’s far too early to know what we’re going to get out of this. It could be 1) A more typical La Niña pattern with cooler systems but still no valley snow, or 2) Colder arctic air slides south and really cools us off, with the chance of lowland snow. Nobody knows as of now. I’ll post again later this week or for sure next Sunday with an update.

Chief Meteorologist Mark Nelsen

90 Responses to Lots of Rain & Wind Ahead; Then A Drier MLK Weekend

  1. Mountain Man says:

    Mark Nelsen 👍

  2. Mountain Man says:

    👍

  3. Mountain Man says:

    Let’s give Mark a little love. I know he doesn’t post as often anymore and sure he can see the numbers, but many of you appreciate his knowledge and insight. I’d like to see how many of you good folks can fill his comments with at least a thumbs up! I’ll start.

  4. Chad says:

    Well, we can thank the weather gods for putting a stop to any sea level snow”at least within the next30days”

    At least we had a nice windstorm last night and some fairly decent landslides.

    • Anonymous says:

      Why you always trying to marsh the mellow? Whatever, nothing says either what you are saying or the other way, just like look at the average or something or shut up

      • Chad says:

        Well smarty, if you know how to read the models not one shows anything below 1500’ in the next 30 days but ok dreamer. You continue to think cold and snow and I will continue to follow science 👍

    • Mountain Man says:

      One in every crowd and I didn’t think ziggy was all that bad for a while and I get a worse reincarnation to gunk up my enjoying the comments. I wonder, maybe Mark doesn’t even reads the comments anymore himself, but I still do appreciate many of your inputs, so don’t give up.

  5. Roland Derksen says:

    it was great to get that NW wind in here and clear out the clouds. We had a sunny day- and something somewhat similar tomorrow. Meanwhile, I’ve recorded the wettest first 2 weeks of a new year here (7.65 inches) even though the 14th is still to come!

  6. tim says:

    Not much is being said about this coming cold snap on here I take it nobody is impressed with it, gfs has things going back too a milder\wetter pattern the very end of January.

    • Andrew says:

      i think it’s just slightly too far out with too much model uncertainty to really get the masses fired up. Cool is much different than cold in this area. Models seem to be favoring the former right now. Time will tell.

    • Tanis Leach says:

      I’m not paying much attention to it right now due to the current situation. I’m intrigued for sure, but don’t want to focus on it yet. Come 7 days out I will if its still there. All I say is pattern change, x possible. (replace x with type of event or predicted anomaly if models end today)

      • Chad says:

        Nothing will be there, looking very unpromising for us low land dwellers.

        • tim says:

          Models have trended slightly warmer even weather.com bump up there temps today from upper 30s yesterday to low 40s today for seattle for late jan.

    • Anonymous says:

      Nope, you should probably keep on checking weather.com instead of coming to this blog. It will probably make you feel better

      • Anonymous says:

        Then what did I see? no wait let me guess -50 and 20ft of snow for pdx, u should work for noaa your so good.

  7. Tanis Leach says:

    Post 3/3: How “fun” the winter has been

    Many people, myself included said las winter was one of the most boring winters ever in Portland (2nd for me with 14-15 topping it). Before I go into this winter, I’m going to look back on a scale of 1-5 at each notable event (Nov-March only)

    Bomb Cyclone: 3
    January Tease: 1
    Atmospheric River Event 1 (mid-January): 2
    January Tornado: 3
    Atmospheric River Event 2 (early-February): 4 (historic flooding)
    The one windstorm: 1
    March tease: 2
    Amount of Rain: 2
    Frequency of windstorms: 1
    Amount of snow (including teases): 2

    Final score: 22

    And now this year thus far (may be missing some stuff):
    November Windstorm: 1
    Waterspout action: 2
    Atmospheric River 1: 2
    Atmospheric River 2: 1
    Early January Windstorm: 2
    Yesterday’s Event: 4
    Amount of Rain: 3
    Amount of Snow: 0
    Frequency of windstorms: 3

    Total Thus far: 18
    Projected Score at current pace: 30

    Note: I came up with this on the fly. Needs major refinement and likely won’t be same system if/when I post it again.

    With this, this winter has not been as boring as last winter, mainly thanks to more rainfall, and windstorms being more frequently. Though not as fun it should be with a la nina winter, yet at least. Plus, the interesting events have occurred closer to Portland than in the Southern/Eastern part of the state during last winter. We’ll see what the rest of the winter brings but IMO, it has been less boring than last winter.

    • Anonymous says:

      Hmm that is a little to much complexity for me. I can do 1 to 5. This winter so far, a 1. Last winter a 2. Exactly one year ago I had a nice 10 inch snow dump, that is worth an extra point. Two years ago, I had three feet of snow starting in early February and it didn’t melt completely until mid April so minus a point for being a lot like this one up to that point, but plus 3 for ending awesome. So two winters ago gets a 4. That’s my fun scale simplified.

      • Tanis Leach says:

        Looking through it again, it does seem complicated, though I don’t want it to be too simple. If I ranked every winter I actively tracked from 1-5 and nothing else:
        16-17: 5
        17-18: 3
        18-19: 4
        19-20: 2
        20-21: 2 (edges out 19-20 since the interesting events happened closer to home).

        I personally feel that is too simple which is why I want to try to come up with a points system. I need to make it less complicated than that though.

        • Andrew says:

          It’s an interesting way to look at it. Thanks for sharing! Winter of 18-19 stands out to me as testing the definition of a “fun” winter. Just looking at snow/ice (should probably be weighted heaviest compared to things like rain and wind), we had in many areas around Portland little actual accumulation. However, we had like a two week plus period from mid-February until early March with a pattern that kept the threat of snow very much in the foreground. I would describe that situation as more fun than say a single isolated accumulating snow event that is only impactful for a day or two. I personally really enjoy winters when the threat of snow is somewhat persistent over a longer period. Makes following models more fun and draws out the sense of anticipation even if we don’t ultimately get the goods. That’s what has me excited about our weather turning cooler. It appears we may be in a reasonably favorable pattern for low elevation snow for a week or two.

        • Mountain Man says:

          Hmm, Tanis, Yeah I’d give 16-17 a 5, at least at home, it was brutal. Never a really super big storm, just weeks and weeks of snow and ice and the ground was frozen a foot deep into early spring. I still lived in the gorge then at 1200 feet near Stevenson, I really don’t miss being there in any winter. The wind was miserable and the freezing rain could make getting out impossible. Now I’m at 1400 feet near Mt Rainier and, I’ll say, it’s much more tolerable.

  8. Tanis Leach says:

    Post 2/3 wind, and the failure of the GFS:

    W7: I thought about replying to your post with this, but since I was writing this anyways, I’ll keep it as its own post.

    A surprise to some, this past 30 hours had the strongest windstorm of the winter, and the strongest S/SW wind event since 2018-19 (there were 2 that winter if I remember correctly). By the early evening, the structure of the low being compact and contains tight gradients provided a good recipe of a windstorm, therefore, I don’t understand why a wind advisory wasn’t posted. I don’t know the offical total for those who went without power from PGE, but it sounds like at least 100,000 customers for at least some point.

    The biggest loser was the GFS. As Dr. Cliff Mass pointed out, the GFS underperformed during this event, only predicting gusts in the 30s, to maybe 40 mph. They handled the mountains poorly as well. The Euro model did well, forecasting 50 mph gusts widespread north of Portland, and 40 mph south widespread.

    Peak gusts and direction at selected locations (as of midnight):
    PDX: SW 50 mph
    Troutdale: SW 39 mph
    Hillsboro: SW 29 mph
    McMinville: S 41 mph
    Salem: S 43 mph
    Eugene: S 29 mph
    Astoria: SW 55 mph

    Portland seemed to have a localized gust right around the airport then. Numbers since 12 am are not included.

    This is a quick analysis, I would be interested to read a more detailed analysis on this later on.

    • Mountain Man says:

      I knew Cliff way back as a student, his voice can literally put you to sleep, but he’s such a cool guy. I don’t always agree with him, but anyone who reads this blog should read his also.

    • W7ENK says:

      The strongest gusts came just after midnight, at least in my neighborhood, and based on the sheer number of arc flashes lighting up the sky, I’d say that’s true for the whole of the East metro. I’ll bet those numbers will ultimately bump up a bit.

      • Tanis Leach says:

        New gusts, same locations:

        PDX: SW 50 mph
        Troutdale: SW 43 mph
        Hillsboro: W 40 mph
        McMinville: W 44 mph
        Salem: S 43 mph
        Eugene: W 36 mph
        Astoria: SW 55 mph

        Portland’s and Astoria’s didn’t change, everyone else’s did. Every gets peak gust at different times though.

        Side note (for personal reasons): This upgrades the windstorms category from partial hit to full hit. Including the 3 prior winters (all private forecasts, though I have the document containing all of them), this is the only category remaining I have 100% accuracy in. Granted only this category and the lowest temperature can be given hits before February 15th.

  9. Tanis Leach says:

    Post 1/3: Rain and flooding

    I don’t think anyone is surprised in the rainfall, though the flooding may have caught a few of us by surprise in some places. I don’t know all the totals, but I ended up recording 3.71 inches in Sherwood (yes, almost .3 inches in the 11 pm hour), and Portland recorded 1.94 inches. Most major valley locations averaged about here.

    The usual spots of the coast range rivers flooding, though it seemed more severe this time (Siletz and Wilson river hit moderate flood stage). I noticed 2 cascade rivers flooded as well: the Cowlitz below all reservoirs, and the Clackamas. Both were only at Moderate flood stage.

    The “big” flood this time around goes to Marys river. The gauge at Philomath hit its 2nd highest level of all time, in the major flood category. I haven’t seen any pictures but I suspect portions of Philomath and far SW Corvallis may have some flood damages.

    The big losers are the forecasts. The typical locations of the coast were fine, but the valley rivers were under forecasted. Marys river was only supposed to be in Action stage.

    With this rain event, January is now above the 1991-2020 suspected averages.

    This is a quick analysis, so Mark I’m assuming will provide a more detailed analysis this evening (source: his twitter), and please chime in if you have anything else to say.

    • Mountain Man says:

      We just about lost the road to town, shoulder is completely gone to the edge of the payment, anymore rain and the river would have been where the road is. I recorded 8.81 inches since Monday evening, not my record here for 48 hours, but an inch and a half shy. Also several gusts in the 50+ last night with a peak gust of 60, very unusual for here with my terrain. I hear Puget sound was hit pretty hard. Power was out all night, phone line is still out. And now the ground is white as a heavy hail shower is moving over. This is almost fun. More excited for the pattern change looking just 8 days ahead now. Nothing to try for details yet, like your 7 day and 3 day rules, just going in the right direction.

  10. W7ENK says:

    Last night’s little windstorm was wild, I’m surprised no one here made a mention of it. Maybe y’all are still without power?

    One huge gust woke me up at about a quarter after Midnight when it blew the heavy rain straight into my window onto my arms and face. The following ~20 minutes was some of the most exciting weather action since the big thunderstorm on 9/18. Stuff crashing down all around me, lights flickering off/on, red white and green power flashes lighting up the sky in all directions, crazy!

    Peak gust measured at my station was only 37 mph, but I know the wind was stronger than that. We don’t get ~80,000 power outages from wind gusting into the 30s. Still 62,000 without power as of 9am.

    • Mountain Man says:

      Lost power all night after 11 pm here, peak gust was 60 mph. Lots of branches and a few trees down. One of the strongest windstorms I’ve seen here in the foothills. Had stronger wind from the east, but not from the south.

    • Andy says:

      I agree it was a stormy night with some of the strongest winds this winter…NWS really didn’t say to much about wind in the valley it mostly mentioned the coast. I know it was strong when the neighbors fir needles coated my cars and drive way for the
      first time this winter…on to better stuff later this month and beyond.

  11. tim says:

    So no snow for lowlands and artic blast isn’t looking likely?

  12. Tanis Leach says:

    Results are in. As of 10:53, Portland has had 1.72 inches of rain. Therefore the daily record falls and the over crowd wins the game. Congrats. Until the next daily record chance.

    Here in Sherwood at 200 feet near old town: 3.43 inches, my wettest day ever recorded (first installed June 2015).

  13. Mountain Man says:

    Holly cow, I’m just going to say, and the usual of you guys can beat me up as much as you want, I don’t care, I love what I am seeing. I do subscribe to Weather Bell, and it sucks for the rest who don’t or can’t see everything, and I understand, I still have reservations too, but winter is going to start on the 20th or 21st of January this year. Your GFS took a little leep and a backstep at the same time. However, across the main three, over the last 24 hours, the lowlands will have opportunity for snow, and the foothills could be hammered, that sure is a lot better than this winter has played out so far, it’s a 180 spin from anything we’ve seen. I’m reserved but feeling quite optimistic. Over 80% of about 500 ensombles are optimistic since yesterday! That’s a really good sign of things to come. They are almost never in such agreement that far out!!! Arctic blast is still not feeling like what I’m seeing, no for sure snow for you in the lowest elevations, but certainly we’ll be getting a a lot closer to some fun then we’ve seen so far.

    • Mountain Man says:

      Mr S.E. Rob, you’re seeing everything I’m seeing I think. I’d love your take. Please chime in with your respected opinion that we all (most of us) know and appreciate. You’re second to none but Mark in my opinion!

    • Matt in Keizer says:

      I agree Mtn. Man but looking at the 00z ECMWF for 9-10 days out I would say more likely the 21st or 22nd, and as you mention this mostly looks like a foothill snow event due to the lack of cold air anywhere near us. The upper level ridge is in a nice position to our west and extending north into AK and the Yukon but there is just no cold air anywhere near to get funneled down into our area……If we could get that cold blob of air in the far north central Canada area to migrate south into Alberta and BC sometime beyond 10 days out and if the ridge to our west maintains itself then we would be in business here in the lowlands of Western Wa. and Or. for some winter weather….fingers crossed!…Here are the upper level 00z ECMWF Maps: 1st for 9 days out on Fri. Jan. 22nd….http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ecmwf_amer_00/GZ_PN_216_0000.gif…..and 2nd for 10 days out on Sat. Jan. 23rd….http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ecmwf_amer_00/GZ_PN_240_0000.gif…..These links will update to the latest 9&10 day 00z ECMWF Maps each night around 11pm.

    • JohnD says:

      Thank you for your input Mountain Man—and others. Still hoping for Rob’s posts too. Reason for optimism!

    • Tanis Leach says:

      Thus far, I agree with you Mountain Man. I will maintain my 7 day rule and refrain from official calls until then. As of right now though, sometime in that time period looks like there will be at least a flirt with snow.

      I’d love to hear Rob’s opinion, especially when getting closer.

  14. tim says:

    The problem is if we do get the cold trough from Canada there’s not much cold artic air up there to begin with the 504 line is near the artic circle from the 00gfs by the 24th unless I’m missing something, anyone?.

  15. tim says:

    Yes and seattle will have 68″ of snow like they had during 68/69 season.

  16. Chad says:

    January 25th PDX will score 11.4” of snow!!!!

  17. Roland Derksen says:

    6.97 inches of rain here for the month, up til 4pm today. I’m expecting at least another inch tonight. That “dry spell” can’t come soon enough for me!

  18. tim says:

    Last January 2020 we had high in in the mid 30s and snow for a few days from a artic outbreak here in seattle mid month this coming cold snap could be simular but maybe not as cold.

  19. Evan -- Cedar Mill says:

    That eye candy 👀

  20. tim says:

    Cliff said it will turn radically cooler not colder there is a difference but still that’s the right direction.

  21. Andrew says:

    Are we still tracking towards more heavy rain and wind later today? I’m at 1.25 inches already today. Don’t think I’ve hit 2 inches in a day since installing my weather station a few years ago. Perhaps today is the day. Also a little concerned about power outages if stronger winds arrive, since I already had some light flickering this morning. Thanks for any feedback and observations for those of you who know what’s up!

  22. Chad says:

    Should see some power outages when the wind arrives👌

  23. runrain says:

    It sure looks like on the radar that the rain is ending. Is there more further out there that is just not visible yet?

  24. JohnD says:

    The Cliff Mass post today is VERY encouraging!

  25. tim says:

    It’s gonna have to take a really cold air mass to get snow at sea level in late jan early Feb with longer days higher sun we’re as in Dec or early jan it would take nothing and getting cold enough air late in the season is hard to do.

  26. Andrew says:

    I’m already at .6 in just about seven hours. radar suggests a temporary decrease in rain intensity but another period of heavy rain this afternoon and evening. Based on all of that I would say I’m heading for the over.

    Excited for a pattern change and more model riding over next couple weeks.

  27. tim says:

    It appears the coldest air of the season is coming late jan that’s a given rather or not it’s a borderline artic out break or just a cool nw flow, I’m not banking on a Feb 1989 event that’s highly unlikely but rather something more modern in line with our warming climate.

    • Andy says:

      I don’t know if you can really say what is going to happen for us. Do you realize the crazy snow and cold events going on around the world now, Things will change and someone will be in the cross hairs of winter. North America’s turn is next.

  28. runrain says:

    Perfect night to sleep with the window open listening to the rain falling and some wind in the warm nighttime temps.

  29. W7ENK says:

    Thanks for the update, Mark.

  30. Terminator says:

    What do you mean “nobody knows”? You know, I know, we all know that Portland will get nailed with 14 inches of snow on January 23rd and 24th. Book it!

  31. Tanis Leach says:

    With tomorrow’s rain event coming, lets play a little game: Over/Under.

    Will tomorrow’s rain totals be over or under 1.38 inches (tomorrow’s record)?

    I say over.

  32. Weatherdan says:

    Heard it and seen it before. Nice eye candy in the models but…most likely nothing by the time it gets here. This same thing happened last January. A can,t miss Arctic blast that somehow did. When I wake up and find snow on the ground I will believe it. I’ve been disappointed too many times before. Peace.

  33. Peter Christenson says:

    Still, it’s very difficult to predict qpf two weeks out. Much easier to have general confidence in a pattern change, right?

  34. tim says:

    8-14 day has below norm temps but by how much? the normal high by then is 48 I’m assuming 5 to 10 below normal chilly but not frigid.

    • Tanis Leach says:

      If I had to bet right now, I’d agree with 5-15 degrees below normal, and a possible flirt with snow. Though with it being 10-14 days out still, that’s too far out to make any sort of confidence.

      12z Euro has its lowest ensemble average high the next 15 days at 37°F (Sun the 24th), 11 degrees below average. Granted that’s low for 13 days out for a mean, but still. Lowest 10-90% is 31-44°F (Sat 22nd).

  35. Bobby says:

    If you are a betting man as it were, you’d look at those long-range models and bet against them. Of course, if you are here looking for some cold and some snow to break out in the metro area, well, if you guess right, head to Vegas soon thereafter – you are hot!

  36. Roland Derksen says:

    It’s still too early for me to predict, but if conditions were to continue through to the 31st(and I hope not), this could be the first time I’ve recorded a winter month without at least one below freezing daily minimum. I came close to that back in January 2006 (1 date). A rather dubious honour, if it happens!

    • Tanis Leach says:

      05-06 was a la nina as well, granted a weak one. These type of winters are the ones I’d least expect it, but not out of the question clearly.

  37. JohnD says:

    “Hope springs eternal” as the saying goes. So great that we can look forward to a pattern change; so much the better if it evolves into a nice solid winter weather pattern for the PNW!

  38. Andrew says:

    The mere mention of a pattern change and some ensembles even showing arctic air make this by far the most interesting update of the year. A lot still needs to align but happy to see we didn’t have to wait until mid-February for a more favorable change, as has been case last couple winters. Certainly not banking on anything at this point but at least moving in right direction.

  39. Paul D says:

    If I have to start mowing my lawn before March I am going to be one grumpy guy 😦

  40. Chad says:

    Tanis and Erik are crapping their pants right now😂😂😂

    • Tanis Leach says:

      I’m not. I’ve seen it but 7 day rule has not kicked in yet (let alone 5 and 3 day rules). Until then, I’m not getting excited, but may remain hopeful if I think there’s a small chance. 12z mean was only half an inch of snow, 10-90% being 0-1.2 inches not getting excited over that. The thing I’m most excited about right now isn’t weather related, it’s that this week is down week running wise which means an extra day off, perfectly timing for Tuesday’s rain event.
      I know its a joke, but it comes across as inappropriate. While I don’t personally mind (I’ve had worse said to my face about January 2020’s bust), others may. Just an FYI.

      • Tanis Leach says:

        Correction: 0z Euro ensembles has .64 inches as the average snow depth for max time -12 hours, 10-90% range 0-1.7 inches. Still too far out to be excited over that. If it were 2 or 3 days out, then its a different story.

      • Chad says:

        You do a great job, I’m just busting your balls.

  41. Ken in Wood Village says:

    Looks very wet the next few days. Hopefully we will see a change soon.

    First!!

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