Not As Sunny This July

11pm Tuesday…

A few people have complained about the “cool” July so far.  It sure hasn’t been “cool”, but about average temperature-wise.  Portland, Salem, & Eugene are running within 1 degree of their average temps for July.  The coastline has been a bit warmer than normal.  Eastern Oregon has been a bit below normal but the next 5 days in the 90s and then 80s should bring you folks closer to normal.

I think what most of us are noticing is the increased cloud cover and lack of extreme heat.

Cloud cover:


Notice we’ve seen a typical number of mostly cloudy days.  But then note the lack of mostly or totally sunny days:

MarkCloudy Clear Days July

Yes, we’ve had tons of partly cloudy days, but have been missing the real sunny days that we typically get.

Now the heat:



We haven’t had a 90 degree temperature this month.  In fact we haven’t hit 90 since the first week of June, only tallying up 3 so far this summer.  I assume we’ll hit 90 both Thursday and Friday so that will bring us up to 5.  Beyond that it appears unlikely we’ll have another 90 through the first week of August; tonight’s 12 Day Trend was based heavily on the ECMWF & its ensembles…ignoring the trough the GFS keeps trying to bring through next Tuesday:


So much for my thinking that we’d see 12-18 90+ days this year!  That said, the bulk of the summer outlook I put out on May 23rd is okay:


There is one other topic this change of weather the past 7 weeks brings up.  During the past two summers there were some proclaiming that this is the “new normal” and summers are going to be a blazing hot hell (or something like that) from here on out.  No, that’s not how it works.  In a gradually warming climate we will still have ups and downs.  We might have a few cooler summers, then the next period of hot summers could be even hotter.  Who knows, but in general temperatures should continue to warm over the long term…we’re talking over many decades.  Our cooler periods should become less frequent and hotter periods more frequent.

Chief Meteorologist Mark Nelsen

95 Responses to Not As Sunny This July

  1. runrain says:

    A fun note: last Thursday I believe we were 93 for a high. Tomorrow, most are calling for around 90. And The Weather Channel’s long range forecast calls for 91 on Thursday, the 11th. Is Thursday becoming the new hot day of the week??

  2. W7ENK says:


    Dan, don’t read this…

    So much for those 90 degree days. The forecast for the next week and through the upcoming weekend looks to be a tad bit on the cooler side. Big surprise! At least it remains dry.

    Should be some nice bike riding weather, but my garden has been suffering this Summer. Lots of small green tomatoes, and I honestly question if my peppers are even going to make it.

    • Paul D says:

      Say it with me: no more 90’s! No more 90’s!!!

    • WEATHERDAN says:

      First off Eric Mark’s forecast is for PDX not SLE which has been typically been 4 degrees than PDX. Second off the forecast for SLE for Thursday is 92. Also I expect temps in SLE close to 90 by the 13th. For example on Monday PDX was 79 while SLE and EUG was 85. And that forecast is already out of date as KPTV has next Wednesday at 85 for PDX. Salem will probably be about 3 degrees warmer. Or as you said figures don’t lie. By the way Eric don’t read this. Peace.

    • High Desert Mat says:

      I said it once before and I’ll say it again, denial is only a river in Egypt. Dan, the inevitable is upon us, get used to it, and as soon as you realize this the less stressed you’ll be with trying to prove the point. It’s ok, we’ve all hated the weather that’s coming, it’s just now your turn that’s all. Murphy’s law for you buddy. Peace and out.

    • High Desert Mat says:

      Salem this and Salem that. Get real, the climates are basically the same, temperate and cool and wet. 2 or 3 degrees? Funny. That’s your defense? Lol

    • W7ENK says:

      See, you keep pushing this “Salem is always warmer than Portland” thing. Well, if that’s the case, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that the average or “normal” temperatures would also reflect this? So, if PDX is 5 degrees below average on Saturday at 77 degrees, it would be safe to assume that Salem would also be 5 degrees below average on Saturday at 80 degrees… or is that just not how it works?? Would that be simply because it’s inconvenient to you argument???

      You’re playing a tricky game by leveraging your Salem data against the numbers at PDX, and in that, the numbers DO lie, Dan. You play dirty when you’re not getting your way…

  3. Tyler Mode in Battle Ground says:

    Great aurora show this morning just north of Battle Ground!

  4. Lee Wilson says:

    Does any one know what today’s winds speeds were for Castle Rock area?

    Because my wind turbine just pegged 205 out of 400 watts.
    In Dos at 35 mph, it will produce a full 400 watts.

    We also had small twigs falloff tye trees and some small branches.

    I mean small enough that they wouldn’t hurt anyone it hit them.

  5. High Desert Mat says:

    I think Mark should do a “put a fork in summer” post like he does for winter. Meaning last chance for heatwaves and or endless dry days etc…… just a thought Mark

    • High Desert Mat says:

      Maybe no more 90’s 80’s and so on. At least in the not likely category.

    • JohnD says:

      I am trying for the Middle Sister on Thurs.–forecast high in plateau areas @ 88′–50’s up high–which appears to be the best day of the week! I’m definitely a “fair weather” climber!

    • Boydo3 N. Albany says:

      It’s not over till it’s over. BUT I heard my first crickets of the season last night which begins the chorus of early fall. And had to kill a couple of massive spiders that crawled in last night so those are sure signs that summer is beginning to wane.

    • Mike Hinnant says:

      I agree with HDM. Let’s have a “fork” for 90’s, then 80’s etc. Love the idea.

  6. High Desert Mat says:

    Seems as though Mark keeps lowering the temps through the week. Wish they would lower over here as well, oh well, Fall will be here soon enough. Only one day at or above average Mark? Really? In the hottest time of the year no less. Bring on La Niña!!!!!!

  7. WEATHERDAN says:

    74 at 1:00 PM under partly cloudy skies. Should hit 80 today which is 4 degrees cooler than normal. But it has remained dry. Yesterday it was 85 which was very pleasant. Next few days looks to be average or just a bit less. Mostly 80-85 with some AM clouds and a lot of sun after 10:00 AM. Today is our 40th consecutive day of at least 70 and our 50th consecutive night above 50. Peace.

  8. runrain says:

    Augustuary is HERE!! OK by me. My perfect scenario, then, would be a relatively mild and dry Sep – Oct (great for tailgating and watching football), followed by wind, rain and massive snowfall in the mountains in Nov, then just rainy and cold in the valley for Dec – Jan with a couple arctic outbreaks thrown in for good measure. Anyone else got an alternative perfect scenario?

    • Paul D says:

      I like yours, just throw in one snow event that cripples the area for a couple days.

    • I’m with Paul on the snow event- preferably in January. In the meantime, it’s a perfect “Augtober” morning here; low clouds and drizzly/light rain conditions.

    • runrain says:

      Yes, a crisp feeling in the air this morning. As far as summer goes: “Turn out the lights, the party’s overrrrrr……”

    • W7ENK says:

      That’s a bit premature, don’t you think? We still have about 2 or 3 weeks yet before Fall comes rushing in…

    • runrain says:

      I’m trying to get excited about fall and football season so I’m visualizing. It just might work!

    • It can happen quicker than 2 or 3 weeks: I recall August 1978 starting off pretty hot. But by the 10th, the heat wave was over and the rest of the month was cloudy and wet. Summer didn’t come back until next year.

  9. WEATHERDAN says:

    81 at 3:00 PM. Our 10th day in a row over 80. The longest such streak this season. Normal is 84. So even though we reached the 80,s it was still below normal. Dave Schwartz of TWC died on Saturday from cancer. He will be missed. Peace.

  10. W7ENK says:

    As it turns out, July temperatures ended up ever-so-slightly below average at PDX. Barely enough to count, so I guess for all intents and purposes it was basically an average July as far as overall temperatures, but certainly not the blazing hot blowtorch some were calling (hoping?) for.

    So, let’s take a closer look at the breakdown of the month…

    As you can see, the daily high temperatures were continuously below average from July 3rd all the way through July 19th — 16 days straight. Then, after 2 days where the daily high temperature went above average, it dropped back down below average for another 2 days, and then the last 2 days of the month were also below average. So, in terms of daytime high temperatures, with 21 out of 31 days with highs below average, I would say that the month was predominantly below average.

    These numbers don’t lie.

    • WEATHERDAN says:

      Eric to get the average for the month you need to add in the maximum + the minimum. Then you divide by 2. So what was the true average for PDX. In Salem our high temps did average .9 below normal. But because of overnight clouds our minimums were well above average. Enough so our July average at SLE was 1.1 degrees above normal. I would like to know what the overnight average was at PDX in July. Can you provide? Peace.

    • W7ENK says:

      See, now you’re getting into semantics. I very explicitly stated that I was speaking about daily high temperatures. Since I — like most other humans — generally sleep during the night, and are therefore not out and about experiencing those overnight low temperatures, I chose not to include that data, as I didn’t see it as relevant to my personal experience, one that I would consider to be 21/31ths below average, or so.

      I did, however, address that point briefly at the beginning of my comment when I mentioned that PDX came out “ever-so-slightly below average” … but … “it was basically an average July as far as overall temperatures…”

      Near as I can tell, PDX was roughly one half of one degree below average, overall.

    • Boring Oregon says:

      I agree Eric. High temps are much more important this time of year. If we were having 65 degree lows every night and it was cloudy and only 75 during the day, people would say it was cold.

    • Boydo3 N. Albany says:

      Some hair splitting it seems to me. Just an average July would be my humble observation. Not normal…..just average.
      And a fine average it was.

    • W7ENK says:

      I don’t necessarily feel that 21 out of 31 days is “splitting hairs.” Quite to the contrary, actually, that’s pretty significant.

  11. WEATHERDAN says:

    72 at 1:00 PM. 52 this morning, should hit 82 this afternoon. July ended up averaging 69.1. 1.1 degrees higher than average. But 4.9 less than July of 2015. We had .43 of rain. So we were .05 below normal. August looks to be a little warmer than July. More heat may be here by the 12th, Today is perfect. We had partly cloudy skies until 10:30 AM and total sunshine since with a light North wind. Looking back at June and July I noticed something fascinating. Both months had 1 cool and wet week in months that were both warmer and drier than normal. Really looking forward to OMSI weather conference in October. Vegetable garden doing just fine. Ipsy pipsy a number 1. Peace.

  12. Fog! Boy, it sure didn’t waste time showing up this year. As soon as the calendar changed from July to August, there it was. Usually takes a week or two more for it to show up on the scene here. Yes our “fall fog season” actually starts in late summer here.

    2013 had a foggy August on the island. Those fogs all burned off promptly, of course: the summer sun is too strong for them to persist long. But the following October ended up exceptionally chilly and foggy; we had lots of days with highs around 50 when the fog just didn’t burn off.

    I wonder if this morning’s weather is any sort of sign of what October is going to be like. I would guess a big factor will also be how many nights we have without mid or upper-level clouds then. Absent good radiational cooling, it’s unlikely to get cool enough at low levels for fog to condense.

    • Yes, it is early for fog in the season. I occasionally will see fog here in my area by mid or late August, but that’s usually after a heavy rain the day before. Anyway, my mean temperature for July was 67.0 F- that’s above normal, but over 4 degrees cooler than July 2015.

    • need to make a small correction in my previous remarks: This July (2016) was 3.4 F cooler than the one in 2015, not over 4 degrees.

  13. Tyler Mode in Battle Ground says:

    Two years ago today…still one of the most amazing lightning displays I’ve photographed!

  14. Tyler Mode in Battle Ground says:

    A nice chilly 47 to start out August. 🙂

    • Paul D says:

      Cooler this morning compared to the past couple days, but sunny earlier than yesterday. Looks like another nice day on the way!

  15. Jason Hougak says:

    Mid 70’s this week for August up here in the foothills😳… I’ll take it👍🏼
    Enjoyed Friday and the weekend at Nehalem Falls Campground. The river was very mild even with the wind blowing. Saturday evening the wind picked up and drastically changed to a marine surge cooling down quickly. Today was spectacular once the marine clouds broke up as we visited Manzanita and played on the beach. The traffic was smooth all the way home and we made great time back at just under 3hrs.

  16. Joshua Downtown PDX says:

    Looks like we hit 76 for a high today. No complaints here. We were exactly normal to the tenth of a degree for July going into today. With a 6 degree below normal high today and an exactly average low (59), it might have been sufficient to skew the average for the month downward enough to officially call July below average. Mark???

  17. Paul D says:

    Very cloudy this morning in Hillsboro. I’m hoping the forecast that got changed from upper 70’s to low 80’s is going to be a bust!

  18. JJ78259 says:

    Went to our good friends wedding tonight in San Antonio all out door affair. Now it is 82 degrees at 11:30 pm let the two stepping begin, the band is playing some great music. These warm nights are fun will hit pool for an early morning swim. I love the warm weather!

  19. Tyler Mode in Battle Ground says:

    Running 20 degrees cooler than two nights ago! That’s a nice little change.

  20. Tyler Mode in Battle Ground says:

    Sad to hear! Great guy with an amazing sense of humor that he used to express his passion for the weather.

  21. I like a few clouds in the sky. They are beautiful. The orange ball in a clear sky, not so much.

  22. Anonymous says:

    I like some clouds in my sky. They are beautiful.

  23. Tyler Mode in Battle Ground says:

    I was just looking at the visible satellite. Things are socked in here in Battle Ground, but I see it’s clear mainly south of the Columbia River.

  24. 83 for today’s high here. Warmest this month, but still cooler than it was in early June. Seattle made it up to 90, first time this month.

    • 84F for the high yesterday here.We had a good sea breeze developing in the area yesterday evening, however, allowing me a comfortable night’s sleep. Looks like we’ll end up with 7 days this month of 80+ daily maximums, which is about average.

  25. Tyler Mode in Battle Ground says:

    Mt. Hood this morning…somewhat fall-ish looking. That was 40 degrees ago…

  26. WEATHERDAN says:

    88 at 1:00 PM. Should hit 96 again today. Average for July 2015 was 74.0. For July 2016 69.0. That’s 5.0 degrees cooler than last year. However normal is 68.5. So we are still above normal for July. Normal rainfall for July is .48 and we have had .43. So after what to some felt was a cool and wet July at least here it was warmer and drier. Albeit not by much. July seemed very pleasant to me. If a heat wave is defined as 3 or more consecutive days at or above 90 then this is our second heat wave of the Summer. My vegetable garden is going nuts this year. What ever happened to Schmidt 44. His reporting of statewide daily highs and low were informative. Peace/

    • Boring Oregon says:

      My garden is doing very well too. My sunflowers are in full bloom and they’re all 8-10 feet tall. My corn is almost ready and it’s about 8 foot aswell. And everything else, the pumpkins, taters, kolrabi, squash, dill, and beets are doing great. The only thing not doing so good are the tomatoes. Very small and greem and they aren’t growing much.

    • JJ78259 says:

      Dan you got me beat this year I have had only one Heat Wave of 90 degree weather it started 6/4/16 and will most likely end around the end of September.😭

  27. runrain says:

    124 for Death Valley today. 93 here yesterday for my waterfront run after work. Saved by a brisk breeze that came up. The river was full of boats and swimmers, and the folks at the Brew Festival were having a good ole time. And it is amazing how many tourists are in downtown Portland everyday during the summer. Quite an increase from just a few years ago. All riding those new orange rental bikes too.

  28. Joshua Downtown PDX says:

    Only 16 more days until the average daily high and low temperatures start dropping. Today is almost an hour sorter than on the summer solstice. No extreme heat in sight. Autumn is inevitably on the horizon.

  29. WEATHERDAN says:

    92 at 3:00 PM. Should hit about 96 today. Warmest so far in July. One thing I have really noticed this year is the lack of convective activity over the Cascades. Where are all the TRW,S this Summer? Not that I mind the quiet weather but at least 1 large t-boomer this Summer would be nice. As for July only the 7th-12th was really cool and showery. The 1-6 and the 13-31 saw somewhat above normal high,s. Overnight has been warm all month long. Still hard to believe that this is the last weekend of July. Well still 2 months of Summer left. I will enjoy what is left. Peace.

    • Anonymous says:

      81 for a high here, one degree cooler than yesterday. Tomorrow looks to be another toasty one then the cool down to more normal weather kicks in.

    • 81 for a high here today, one degree cooler than yesterday. Tomorrow looks to be toasty as well, then the cool-down to more normal temperatures kicks in.

  30. runrain says:

    We’re running about 10 degrees higher than yesterday, but we had clouds yesterday in the morning so don’t think we’ll see a 97 or 98. Prob 93 like expected.

  31. Jason Hougak says:

    Mark it’s off subject but I work in between Boring and Damascus and have particles coating the vehicles at work. I don’t get it at my house but I’m thinking is bug poop. Another employee lives just south of Gresham and is getting it at home too. Can anybody shed some light on this and are they getting it anywhere else. Took over an hour just to clean off my roof. My dad has lived there 39 years and never seen this.

    • Boring Oregon says:

      Is it the stuff that makes your car look all glittery?

    • Jason Hougak says:

      No it’s blob clumps, speckles, and shortworm like marks. Color is a dark brown, tan and even a mustard yellow. Took over 2 hrs to clean it off my Fj60. I thought it was pitch at first but it continuing a few months and looks like poop. It is difficult to remove. A lot of elbow grease and scratching to pry some loose. I believe it’s from bug poop. Anybody else got any hair brain ideas??? My dad thinks it’s from the air planes as he is directly under their approach to PDX from the south.🤔

      Mark can you see if this is happening around town?

    • Boring Oregon says:

      I have some speckles on my car but not blobs like you’re describing. I also live right under the airplanes approach from the south but I don’t get it at my home.

    • Jason Hougak says:

      Blobs are more like round circles/ spots which vary in size.

    • Jason Hougak says:

      I’ll try to take a picture of it tomorrow.

    • jakeinthevalley says:

      Bee “poop”

    • JJ78259 says:

      Jake is Correct it is honey bee poop. When I lived in Milwaukie we had lots of flowering plants in my well watered yard and the Cars were covered all the time. I would just wash the Durango and it would be covered in a couple of hours. Our good friends in Oregon City fight it all the time as their nieghbor has some bee hives for honey. POOP HAPPENS!

  32. Tyler Mode in Battle Ground says:

    7 years ago today was day one of three days above 100 degrees.

    It was also day two of nine days at or above 90 degrees!

    Lows were primarily in the mid 60s to low 70s, very uncomfortable!

    (Temperatures for my station in Vancouver)

    26th: 92
    27th: 101
    28th: 104
    29th: 105
    30th: 95
    31st: 93
    1st: 90
    2nd: 93
    3rd: 90

    • Yes, that certainly was a memorable heat wave: Being further north, my temperatures weren’t as high, but I recorded 2 consecutive record extreme daily maximums for the month. The 28th with 97F then the 29th with 98F. Then the next morning a record high minimum with 74F on the 30th. Pretty hard to catch up to all those new records!

    • W7ENK says:

      I was at the coast that week, filling in at Meriweather as a last-minute replacement chaperone for the scout troop my buddy used to lead. The weather was spectacular! 90+ on the beach for several days in a row, crystal clear nights with so many stars you’d think you were off somewhere else in the galaxy… Oh, and the sunsets. Easily some of the best I’ve ever seen down there!

    • MasterNate says:

      That was a long horrible nightmare!!

  33. WEATHERDAN says:

    87 at 3:00 PM. Around 92 today. This has been a very nice July slightly warmer and drier than normal. Looking out to next week it looks like 80-85 with lows of 55-60. Our average high is 84 and our average low is 54, So just about spot on. So here is my take on August, Normal highs with warmer than normal nights and drier than normal precipitation. Total days at or above 90 5. At or above 80 20. At or above 70 31. Rainfall .35. Slightly warmer than July but still mainly normal. Our warm nights will continue. So will our lack of convective activity. In other words very pleasant. Now if you disagree with this forecast come up with your own. Just please don’t be a troll. One thing is for sure, we have had many more days with morning clouds. This make for warm nights though. No low clouds this morning though. Peace.

    • Boring Oregon says:

      I believe that forecast will be pretty accurate. The dullness will continue.

  34. A similar story up here in Vancouver BC- a lot of partly cloudy /sunny days this July- even this morning we had some briefly clouded skies. Last July I recorded 5 days with temperatures 90+. This time so far none- but, the month isn’t quite over yet. My average is 1-2 days, so I could make it there.

    • Only one 90+ day for me last year, but lots of near-misses in the high 80s. This is my fourth summer on the island, hottest day of the year is usually only in the upper 80s. That’s what being surrounded by salt water will do for you. (I’m usually 5 to 7 degrees cooler than Seattle on warm days.)

      Would be odd if the 87 from early June ends up being the warmest (or tying for same) reading of this year, and it just might!

    • 85F for a high here yesterday, my highest temperature for the month. It’s a serious possibility that our warmest temperature of the year will be in early June (June 5th for me). Still too early to say with much confidence, but if I don’t see it in 2 weeks time, then I’ll be much more certain of it.

  35. Jesse-SW Portland Suburbs says:

    So no mention of the many, many people who have been praising this summer for its high comfort factor and return to normalcy?

    Just because you wish we were Phoenix jr doesn’t mean you only have to highlight those who share your opinion, Mark. 🙂

    • Mark Nelsen says:

      What a troll! If you had watched me on-air you’d notice that many, many times the past few days/weeks I’ve said how nice and pleasant this summer & July in particular has been. Did you seen anything in this post that suggested otherwise?

    • Jesse-SW Portland Suburbs says:

      You know I like giving you a hard time Mark. :p

    • Mark Nelsen says:

      Same here. Yes, it’s been a great summer if you are just puttering around home or enjoying life. I have no complaints…for now

    • Jesse-SW Portland Suburbs says:

      It has been great. We stayed in a cabin on Clear Lake (the one at the headwaters of the McKenzie River) in early July and the weather was spectacular for it. Besides that it has been perfect for hiking, camping and even some swimming on warmer days. Maybe not the best if you are into jetskis and such but that has never really been my thing anyway.

      What are your thoughts on this Fall? Quick switch to active with the building Nina? 🙂

  36. Paul D says:

    And the lower than normal temperatures roll in right as I leave town again….



  38. Anonymous says:

    Thanks Mark. It’s good to remind people of the reality check from a normal summer. BTW, I’ve noticed the black background lightning images on your links directory are still from June 26th. Are they decreased, no more, one with the heavens? Wink, wink, nod, nod? 😊

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