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Episode 17: Fall’s Peak Week, Mark’s Angry Email and Super Typhoon Tip

This week the guys talk about fall colors and where the best spots are around the area to catch some picturesque views.  Plus, we break down an angry email sent to Mark and look back this month in history at Super Typhoon Tip.

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26 Responses to Fresh Podcast Just Posted

  1. PaulB/Eugene says:

    Quick update.

    Sticking with idea for frost…Tue or Wed AM…..more likely Wed than Tues….GFS MOS down to 30F in EUG for those mornings…doubt it will be that cold.

    Nice weather otherwise next week…not warm…

    Some precip weekend before Halloween…doubt any significant snow at Gov Camp until first week of Nov

    • Punxsutawney aka HIOPHIL says:

      I’m not sure how much faith I’d put in a model (18z) that’s off (low) on temps by at least 5 degrees on the first frame of the run.

      Still a chance if this front ever moves through. Looks pretty moth eaten and unimpressive on satellite at the moment.

  2. As of 4 p.m. ET Saturday, the agency’s latest prediction narrowed the re-entry to a six-hour window during Saturday night. officials estimated the fiery event to occur any time between 7:30 p.m. ET Saturday and 1:30 a.m. ET Sunday.

  3. Wind (G 33). Rain (.40″). Visibility: none
    See webcam

  4. I think the first Palm tree I ever saw was the one at the rest area near Charbonneau (sp) I is in a row of trees celebrating different states. Now I get to see one each time I go to Hillsboro @ the McDonalds on 1st & Baseline Makes me think “sunshine”…

  5. Josh in Puyallup says:

    It’s been a steady rain for the last 4 hours. about 1/2 since 1am. Good big rain drops. Lets go winter.

    Puyallup, Wa

  6. bgb41 says:

    10/21/2011 Oregon (All) Temperature Summary

    High:73 at DW5789 Eagle Poi(1463 ft) & MERLIN SEED ORCH(1064 ft)
    Low: 55 at Blalock(280 ft) & Glen Jackson Bri(180 ft) & 9 other locations

    High:42 at HOWARD Mt Howard(8150 ft)
    Low: 24 at Beatty (4320 ft ) & KLAMATH NWR (4531 ft ) & Lorella (4160 ft ) & Mazama (4590 ft ) & CRAZYMAN FLAT (6100 ft )

    Largest Diurnal Change: 42 degrees
    Agency Lake (68/26 ) (4150 ft )

    Heaviest Rainfall:
    0.40″ at NORTH FORK(3120ft)
    0.39″ at MEARES Cape Mear(1421ft)
    0.38″ at LOG CREEK(2800ft)

  7. Kyle says:

    I meant by a house: In fact the house has a Spanish look like it would fit in more in Sacramento then Oregon but the point of my post is about how the palm trees survive Oregon’s cold/damp and virtually sunless winters.

  8. Kyle says:

    I’ve seen a few palm trees like on a house on Silverton road and I wish to know how they survive the hard freezes we get in the dead of winter like 2008?

    • Pete says:

      Surprisingly, there are many varieties of palm that are hardy to very low temperatures — even well below zero. Some good info and links to more info here:

    • Karl Bonner says:

      Those palms were probably windmill palms (Trachycarpus). There are actually a lot of them around the Northwest if you’re paying attention. I’m not sure of the exact number but I’m pretty sure there are way over 100 sites in the Eugene-Springfield metro that have palm plantings, probably 200+ if you could see into peoples’ back yards.

      However they are still much, much, much less prevalent than the traditional Oregon landscaping, both native and non-native. And most Trachys aren’t big enough and tall enough to catch your attention from a long way off, at least not until they’ve been in the ground for many years. Not to mention the fact that in the PNW they’re often surrounded by a lot of tall trees, which makes them still less showy.

      I do find it annoying that in the year 2011, so many Oregonians are still completely ignorant to the fact that there are palms growing outside in the state, and many of them refuse to believe that it’s even possible to grow any of them at all. How many more years will it be before everybody accepts the fact that they can be grown here?

      However, the most obnoxious of all are the people who complain about the palms not being native to Oregon, but never raise a finger over hundreds of other non-native landscaping plants like eastern oak and magnolia and tulips and blue spruce and roses and most rhododendrons. The native plant rhetoric serves as a convenient (but completely hypocritical) excuse to diss Northwesterners who like palms. If you don’t like the look of palms in Oregon, don’t grow any in your yard!

    • eugene in vancouver says:

      what about a banana tree?

    • Jesse-Orchards says:

      You’re a weird guy, Karl.

  9. bgb41 says:

    More information here about Typhoon Tip in 1979.

  10. Karl Bonner says:

    Anyway I noticed that the past 3-4 days the colors in The Dalles are starting to get quite flamboyant, but it’s definitely not quite peaking yet. Early next week I plan to do a rural drive when the native scrubby white oaks will be in peak, and also perhaps some of the bigleaf maples down near Rowena Crest and Mosier (probably the best native color tree at low elevations in Oregon).

    Yesterday there was some very nice color in Hood River but most of it was in non-native landscape trees, while the orchards are still almost completely green. I think human tree selection (both ornamental and agricultural) ultimately plays a major factor in foliage peak dates in a given locale. That being said, I’m pretty sure that peak foliage in The Dalles is more the 4th week of October than the 3rd week on average, and it usually remains nice for some distance into November unless there’s a really hard freeze that fries everything. I recall that most years in Eugene, the color was probably 85-95% gone by the 2nd week of November.

    • W7ENK says:

      Karl, you seem to be rather knowledgeable about this kind of stuff: Perhaps you’d happen to know, or at least be able to find out, why is it that if so many species of tree, be it native or non-native, survive relatively well here in the PNW, why the lack of Syrup Maples like the ones found all throughout New England and the Upper-East Midwest? Is there any reason in particular that they aren’t grown out here, or will they simply not survive?

      Like most other natural industries Oregon “taps” into (get it, taps? 😆 ) I think we could become a leading producer of fine quality all natural organic maple syrup! Why has (seemingly) no one attempted this?

    • jakeinthevalley says:

      The trees would probably do fine on the west side, however, the weather conditions that maximize the sap rise are not present to have a viable industry.

      The east side would have better weather conditions but i would be leary of the high alkaline soil for tree growth/survival.

    • Kyle says:

      When does the valley and foothills of 1500-2000 feet usually have their colors in peak time?

    • boringlarry says:

      …what are the conditions for a sap rise, and perhaps some of the higher foothills reach those criteria?…

    • Punxsutawney aka HIOPHIL says:

      The ashes in my neighboorhood are a week or two behind normal. Unless we have a big blow (looking highly unlikely at the moment) this will be the first Halloween where they still have leaves on them. They are the first trees to loose their leaves, a quite spectacular purple-red yellow color too,

      Silver Maples do very well here and make excellent firewood and have bright yellow leaves in the fall. They get extremely big and will take over the average Portland sized yard. Probably don’t get the pests (caterpillars) that the east coast has. I say that because the ones at the farm in Ky were covered in tent caterpillars by late May.

      PDX summers tend to be very dry, so native trees are adapted to that, whereas the east coast tends to have rain consistently through out the summer.

    • Karl Bonner says:

      Kyle, I think the difference in foliage dates is pretty trivial at 1500-2000 feet. Probably just a matter of 2 or 3 days. I’ve taken the drive up the Hood River valley many times in the past during the 3rd week of October, all the way up to Cooper Spur lodge near 3500′. Last three times we went that far up were 1999, 2005 and 2008 (we got to Parkdale last year though). There were intense colors all the way up to the top, with the bigleaf maples just beginning to shed leaves at the highest elevations.

      And I clearly recall in late October 2008 (around the 25th), the now-retired meterologist John Fischer of Eugene was talking about an excellent “top to bottom” display of foliage, indicating that the elevation effect on foliage dates is rather small. There definitely is SOME difference, but not nearly as much as there is in the spring. But that may only be because the temperature changes faster in fall than in spring. The law of normal lapse rate states that the temperature drops T degrees for every E feet of elevation gain. In the spring it takes a longer time for the average weather to warm up by T degrees. If you know E, you can find T and use it to solve for the disparity in seasonal time.

      All this annoying math says one thing: in the Pacific Northwest, we can expect spring phenology (flowers and deciduous leaf-out) dates to be far more sensitive to elevation than fall foliage dates.

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