Another Gloomy Morning

A solid layer of marine clouds into the western valleys again today, although without all the drizzle the eastern suburbs and foothills saw yesterday.  That kept our temps about 5 degrees below average.  Either way a gloomy start to the weekend today, but we should see a slightly faster “burn-off” (water vapor doesn’t burn of course) this afternoon though.

Yesterday the steady drizzle and fog/clouds sent me and the family off to the east end of the Gorge around 10am.  A huge improvement in just about 20 miles to the east.  Same thing today.  If you want sun quickly the next few hours, either head east to Cascade Locks and Hood River in the Gorge, or up to the Cascades Passes or Detroit Lake.  Anywhere east of there is starting sunny this morning. 

Chief Meteorologist Mark Nelsen

83 Responses to Another Gloomy Morning

  1. g says:

    Finally, sun breaking through the marine layer here in gresham. Oddly the clearing is from north to south with a distinct line.

  2. gidrons says:

    Apparently auroras were visible in parts of Washington last night.

  3. thejory (Sandy) says:

    A new Post from Cliff Mass about the new coastal Radar. They turned it on for the first time this past Wednesday. And it’s looking good! 🙂
    Bout Time!

  4. Travis says:

    I have a silly question. At work I joked that it’s 2:00 p.m. and it’s still cloudy out after beibng promised p.m. sunshine by the local forecasters. The person next to me replied, “p.m. starts at 4 o’clock when speaking of the weather.”

    I guess my question is, when does everyone consider p.m.? I figure it’s right around 12:00 but could see the room for open interpretation.

  5. Andrew (West Hills) says:

    Is it August? Only 63 degrees here in the west Hills currently, pretty amazing for this time of year.

  6. Kyle From Silverton says:

    VFR stands for Visual Flight Rules where you don’t need to rely on instruments if anybody on here is a private pilot.

    Otherwise the weather conditions would be IFR for Instrument Flight Rules where you have to rely on your instruments after taking off to the skies.

  7. Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

    Even if this winter does end up like last winter with very little snow. There is a greatly increased chance of a potentially damaging windstorm. It just so happens that we are overdue for it.

    • Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

      Come to think of it, after living in Klamath Falls for a whole winter, I kinda don’t need snow when I move back over there this December. Just give me some high winds and some nocturnal convection like we saw in Jan 1996

    • Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

      *There* being back in Hillsboro, i didn’t specify that, sorry.

  8. Erin Wright says:

    I thought today was great…just tuned in to Sophies’s comments at 10’o clock news…she said today was “cool”……I have to disagreee — what a wonderful morning, with a few clouds and a great afternoon – – felt pretty darn warm if you ask me.

  9. Karl Bonner says:

    The medium-term burning question, of course, is the prospect for September and October weather. After our record-cold spring/early summer, a lot of us are hoping for a really good Indian summer.

    So the question is: what kind of large-scale atmospheric pattern is most favorable for very warm weather (80F+) in late September and October? I’d think that a classic hot summerlike ridge might not be optimal under the long nights and relatively weak sun, so would a slightly different alignment be good for late-season heat as opposed to midsummer heat?

    • Jesse-Orchards says:

      A ridge centered more to our east, so we benefit from both high heights/850 temps and a better mixed atmosphere with southerly flow aloft. That’s the best combination for warmth once day length/sun angle starts becoming a factor later in September.

      That said, I hope this cool Summer goes seamlessly into a cold Fall.

  10. Runrain says:

    Its not a death ridge but maybe the warmth next weekend will the tomatoes a final push to ripen!

  11. pappoose in scappoose says:

    I really like a marine layer mainly impacting the coast.

    National Weather Service Portland or
    210 PM PDT sun Aug 7 2011

    Aviation…stratus lingers along the coast… possibly lifting to
    VFR for a brief period later this afternoon. VFR conditions
    persist inland. Marine layer returns once again later tonight…
    mainly impacting the coast. Inland sites may see MVFR ceilings develop for a few hours after 12z Monday morning…otherwise VFR prevails.

    • pappoose in scappoose says:

      Sun, sun, sun, here it comes…

    • Kyle From Silverton says:

      VFR stands for Visual Flight Rules and I believe VFR stands for Modified Visual Flight Rules.

    • MFR stands for Marginal Visual Flight Rules. 3 to 5 miles visibility and ceilings 1-3,000 feet. VFR is Visual Flight Rules, pilots can see and are free/clear of clouds. IFR is Instrument Flight Rules. ATC doesn’t provide separation under VFR or MVFR, only IFR. MVFR is mostly used as a caution to VFR pilots that VFR conditions are near minimums for safe flying. MVFR advisories are usually a result of low clouds, fog, haze, smoke, etc.

    • pappoose in scappoose says:

      Right Kyle, my main thought was just that I like some marine clouds. Don’t like em hanging around all day though. It’s fun to see the smiles on the faces.

  12. Just noticed my corn is tasseling now…meaning the corn is finally on the stalk!

    Picked several nice blueberries today.

    And my aspen tree has finally started to grow some more. Though it still looks like it’s in spring mode.

  13. Ashley Watson says:

    mike from clackamas town center,

    your comment about the persistence of the midwest ridge possibly meaning another lack luster winter hit the nail right on the head. i’m not saying it’s a 100% sign of a cruddy winter but if i were a betting man I would go for another yucky non-eventful winter

    • Mike near Clackamas Town Center says:

      I’m really hoping that isn’t the case because another winter of busts & disappointment would be awful after such high expectations caused by the presence of La Nina..

    • o.c.paul says:

      For every ridge, there’s a trough. Midwest ridging would block arctic invasions there. Meanwhile, a winter NW trough would allow invasions from the Gulf of Alaska, straight arctic air from the North or Westerlie moisture over-riding the other two. Sounds snowy to me. But…that’s best case scenario. Way too early to call.

  14. Kyle From Silverton says:

    What is the most snow anyone has ever seen up at Silver Falls Park lodge area?

    • Cherie in Vernonia says:

      can’t tell you the answer but if you go to Goggle images….you can see some lovely pictures of snow in the park

  15. jonathan says:

    the top of the chugach mountains near anchorage had a dusting of snow this morning.

  16. joe from portland says:

    I wonder if this pattern will hold into winter seeing that even the heart of summer cant brake it

  17. pappoose in scappoose says:

    Another gorgeous day, AM clouds, PM sun.

  18. mike3987 says:

    hey when do the leaves start changing color there in the pacific northwest

    • Mark Nelsen says:

      A few trees here and there get yellow leaves (alders seem to drop off/on half the summer) from now through September. But the big color is mid-late October. I’ve noticed, after being told by an arborist, that it’s always about the 3rd week of October for the peak color here in the lowest elevations. Seems to be that way year after year regardless of the weather conditions. Then they really start dropping off trees Halloween and beyond.

  19. Karl Bonner says:

    I wonder how much longer it will be until we start feeling the effects of the longer nights? Usually some time during the month of August there is a night or two with a whiff of early fall.

    • k5mitch says:

      5:45 a.m. and still pretty dark…

    • Mark Nelsen says:

      Might be hard to tell this year since we’re in pretty typical late summer/early Fall temps conditions right now.

    • Jesse-Orchards says:

      I was going to say something similar.

      Lots of outlying areas have seen lows in the 40s throughout the Summer, including my area which saw nine lows in the 40s in July alone, and already two this month.

      A lot of warmer Summers I will look to that first night in the upper 40s or lower 50s at the end of August as a harbinger of Fall, but this year it would just be more of the same.

      Maybe we’ll still get some contrast when we get our first upper 30s in outlying areas in early September!

  20. Kyle From Silverton says:

    No Rob I did not ask the same question: I asked if Silver Falls Park is high enough to be worth driving up to the snow since they are between 1,000 and 1500 which is at the bare minimum of the snow level you said.

    I imagine they would at least get a half inch of sloppy slush?

    Would the tops of trees be dusted and the ground bare if I were to drive as soon as it got bright?

    What about if there is convection?

    • My apologizes, Kyle. You had said something similar about the snow level. Sure if there were convection that can always lower things further. If we did have a day time snow level around 1000-1500ft there would be a slushy dusting or something possibly up there.

    • Kyle From Silverton says:

      Apology much accepted. 🙂

  21. Made it to 70.4 today. I was above 70 for all of 1 hour and 15 minutes. Not much like August! I don’t mind the cool, but the sun is a good thing!

  22. cloudy ALL day. no clearing. at ALL

  23. Tyler in Battle Ground says:

    Depending on when the low clouds move in, could be rather chilly overnight.

    It’s pretty obvious to see when the low clouds develop as the temp heads uphill quickly.

  24. Severe storms in/around Omaha, Nebraska
    Streaming cam –​ex.shtml
    TONS of lightning!

  25. Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

    We still have no clue where “Montana St. Helens” is.


  26. Mike near Clackamas Town Center says:

    There’s one thing that probably all of us have obviously noticed and that is the central U.S.ridge has been persistent in staying put which in turn has kept the eastern pacific ridge further west. But how many more weeks or months can this pattern hold up before the next long term pattern change??. The longer this current pattern stays like this the more skeptical I am becoming that we could have a decent winter for snow. I hope I’m wrong because last winter was a total bust for the lowlands.

    • Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

      Its gonna change soon, nothing lasts forever!

    • o.c.paul says:

      I hacked Santa’s e-mail account and slammed it with requests for snow for the PNW. It’s a done deal. Artic outbreak late fall and winter.

    • Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

      Now we’re being naughty eh?

      Okay, GAME ON!!!

    • I mentioned this over on the Facebook group, but it reminds me of the persistent pattern Russia saw last Summer with their great heat wave.

    • Mike near Clackamas Town Center says:

      getting on Santa’s naughty list won’t help are chances for a decent amount of snow this fall & winter 😆

    • Kyle From Silverton says:

      Oh great! We are for sure going to get blowtorched with constant SW flow and a multi week inversion in January or is it the other way around?

    • Kyle From Silverton says:

      No Rob I did not ask the same question: I asked if Silver Falls Park is high enough to be worth driving up to the snow since they are between 1,000 and 1500 which is at the bare minimum of this airmass in winter.

      I imagine they would at least get a half inch of sloppy slush?

      What about if there is convection?

  27. Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

    Has anyone noticed on NWS Medford’s radar how south of Yreka it says “Mount Shasta Mount Shasta?” LOL​_lite.php?rid=max&product=NCR&​loop=yes

  28. Jory (Sandy) says:

    Is the Portland Radar down to prepare it for dual polarization? Or is it just some equipment failure?

    • Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

      Could be a brief failure. Happens from time to time, sometimes up to about 2-3 days.

  29. Kyle From Silverton says:

    Seriously: If this were late December would this be a *Drive with my parents to Silver Falls Park to see the snow* kind of pattern or would even Silver Falls Park lodge not be high enough?

  30. Kyle From Silverton says:

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  31. Mike near Clackamas Town Center says:

    The sunshine has returned 🙂

  32. bgb41 says:

    Enjoying the mid 90’s here in angels camp resort in central calif today.

  33. pappoose in scappoose says:

    Gotta love all the blue. The palms are having fun today eh Karl?

    • Karl Bonner says:

      The one that wasn’t killed by overtrimming last fall is recovering nicely, and the palm near the veterans’ home looks reasonably happy. Let’s hope for a winter minimum of about 12F in The Dalles, 16-18F in Eugene and 20F in Portland, and no modified arctic air until well into December after moderately cold air has hardened off all the plants.

      By the way I got tons of photos of the palms during my Eugene visit, many are developing VERY nicely 😉

    • pappoose in scappoose says:

      Don’t have any palm trees, closest thing I guess is a fig tree I planted a couple years ago. It seems happy.

  34. hczsystem says:

    Thoroughly enjoying the cloudy mornings, so I’ll stay put 🙂

  35. well, to be fair, up here in longview, i deal with this nearly every morning while everyone talks aboutr how sunny it is down there, or just a few miles away on FB, lol.

  36. pappoose in scappoose says:

    The clearing is certainly taking its time:

    National Weather Service Portland or
    839 am PDT Sat Aug 6 2011

    Short term…satellite imagery shows extensive stratus across the
    region this morning. The clouds have not pushed as far inland across the the southern portion as yesterday morning…and expect an earlier clearing today…especially over the southern Willamette Valley. The earlier clearing will allow slightly warmer daytime highs across the southern valley.

  37. Jbpdx says:

    Portland: The Land of No Rising Sun

  38. Thanks for the cloudy update, Mark.

    00z EURO last night sure changed its mind, no surprise. No sign of any ridging instead a deep trough drops down over us. Looks fairly chilly to me if anything.

  39. Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:

    “If you want sun quickly the next few hours, either head east to Cascade Locks and Hood River in the Gorge, or up to the Cascades Passes or Detroit Lake. Anywhere east of there is starting sunny this morning.”

    Wow I guess back in Portland it got so cruddy, Mark is now telling you all to move locations!

    LOL j/k

  40. Timmy_Supercell (Klamath Falls @ 4200') says:


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