Your Thoughts?

Do you see the 16x9 (wings) on your main home television nowdays? If you see us over the air or get HDTV/Digital from your provider you do. Vote below

Just for fun today, let me know what part of our weather graphics you see when you watch from home.

The reason I’m asking this is that I want to get a general idea of what people are seeing.  Up until about three years ago stations in our area were broadcasting in the original 4×3 “square” looking size.  That’s how it started in the 1950s.  Then stations began broadcasting in “widescreen” or the 16×9 format.   Most cable companies are not passing through the “whole picture” unless you get HD specifically or their “digital tier”.  Bascially they “cut-out” the middle part of the picture and pass it on to you.  Pardon my lack of knowledge about that, but I don’t get cable at home, just an antenna so I see the whole picture.   All local stations broadcast in the wide 16×9 format whether a station is broadcasting in HDTV or not.  KPTV is not yet broadcasting newscasts in HD.

What does this have to do with weather?  Well it’s directly related to what we do in the weather center.  When we make weather graphics, we have to keep anything important in that 4×3 area.  And just today while I was working on a new 7 Day forecast page I thought how nice it would be to use that whole space so each day’s weather would be larger.  But that’s not going to happen until the vast majority of viewers are watching the 16×9 wide view.    I suppose a good analogy is that TV programs probably didn’t make specific color references until most viewers had color TVs.

This is also the reason we have to stay in the main part of the view when working at the green wall.  If you watch the 4×3 format (cable) you may notice sometimes weather people drift in and out of the shot, or even stay half-in/half-out.  That means they aren’t paying attention to the wings and are out on the edges where on the widescreen viewers can see.

Really a rainy night out there, tomorrow looks only slightly better.

66 Responses to Your Thoughts?

  1. Line of showers having a hard time staying intact as they cross the coast range…Some lightning strikes showing up:

    40 even degrees currently…1/4 inch of rain today…

  2. Ben Monjay says:

    Organized line now moving across the coast range.

  3. Ryan (Walnut Grove) says:

    Pretty sure I saw a flash if lightning to the SW.

  4. dabears (Hillsboro-Tanasbourne) says:

    I’ve seen several flashes of lightning to the west. Too bad I have to get up early in the morning. Looks like a fun line of storms headed this way.

  5. Ben Monjay says:

    Another one moving in at Oceanside and Pacific City.

  6. Ben Monjay says:

    intense shower just moved onshore at Manzanita. GR3 showing 30% chance of severe hail.

  7. I hope we can play catch up a bit in march and april in the mountains, much can happen quickly if the right conditions set up right. If I’m not mistaken, at least for Timberline, the snowpack doesn’t peak out until May 1st (or was it April 1st?), then it usually starts to decline.

    I would say there is still time to salvage the season to try and avoid drought in summer. Plus I go camping in central oregon in late July and float down the Deschutes, it needs to be full for that!

  8. Steven(Salemskylineankubluer) says:

    So does anyone think we’ll see snow?

  9. Andrew (Ellensburg, WA) says:

    Just posted the video i took of the brush fire along US-97 down south of Yakima today on youtube. Its going to be a horrible fire season this year with small fires already starting up. I am getting worried about my property this year come summer time.

    • Andrew Johnson says:

      I like the music…

    • Andrew Johnson says:

      On a serious note, a wet may/june could save us. Last summer was extremely hot, but because of a damp may/june (especially east side) the fire season wasn’t that bad.

    • Andrew (Ellensburg, WA) says:

      Ya time will tell, but a damp spring would certainly help. Also, if we can build up more of a late season snow pack, that would help a lot as well.

  10. Steve in Beavercreek (1100') says:

    Has been snowing up here for about 45 minutes now. 33.8° with about 1/2 inch of snow on the ground.

  11. Timmy - scappoose says:

    I drove to yachats today via hwy 20. Just outside of philomath at about 300 feet, ther was a heavy snow shower, albeit wet, that Left a trace on everything icluding the road at about 3pm. My first time seeing snow other than mt hood this winter

  12. Andrew (Ellensburg, WA) says:

    Hey guys, i am down in Portland for the weekend for my cousins wedding. We just got back from dinner and are back up at my parents house now in the west hills and there is currently a rain/snow mix and 38 degrees. It is pure white flakes coming down on the top of council crest and 35 degrees. Did not check Portland’s weather before heading down, but was not expecting this at all.

    Also as a side note, passed a decent sized brush fire along US-97 south of Yakima today on the drive down.

  13. pgiorgio says:

    Where’s Mark NelsOn? JK

  14. …windshield splat test between Barton and Eagle creek was very splatty just a few moments ago….

  15. Mr Data says:

    Part 1:

    40F and cooling with lowering dewpoints.

    Withought looking at any models I am going to assume the following below and correct me if I am wrong okay?

    I reckon we a re under a NW airmass now which means a few spotty (decreasing) showers for the remainder of the evening followed by several hours of clearing until the next system comes thru?…………………………..that is if there is a NEXT system.

    Edit: Are

    Part 2: Does anyone know why copy and past don’t work on this blog anymore?

    I can copy and past a message everywhere else but here. 😕

    Confound it!

  16. MasterNate says:

    Molalla had an intense shower mixed with snow, at least on the car windows, at about 5:15 pm. Temp at that time dropped to 38. Now sitting at 40.

    • Mr Data says:

      Mollala might as well be ‘mountains’ as they always seem to be a few degrees cooler then Silverton. 😮

      Mollala reminds me so much of a cowboy town.

  17. dabears (Hillsboro-Tanasbourne) says:

    The 18z GFS brings 850mb temps back down to -8C next Friday/Saturday. Granted the 12z had 850mb temps at 10C during that exact same time, I’m not going to guess on anything. Obviously it has no clue what’s going on yet, but it’s still interesting to see. I’d be happy with ether of those scenarios to be honest.

    • PaulO says:

      Anybody else been noticing the ‘new’ GFS seems to flip-flop a LOT run to run especially lately?

    • Timmy_Supercell (Hillsboro) says:

      Did they scrap the old GFS so we are stuck with the “new” GFS now?

    • Jesse-Orchards says:

      06Z showed the exact same thing. Last night’s Euro was on board as well, but this afternoon’s backed off a bit. I’d say there’s a decent chance we get a clip of continental air at some point. To what extent is obviously still up in the air.

      I notice Mark did cool the highs down at the end of the 7-day, as well as the lows.

    • Jesse-Orchards says:

      One thing is looking certain, somewhere in the Central/Western part of the country is going to get an epic arctic blast for mid-March the middle of next week.

  18. Steve Pierce (Vancouver, WA.) says:


    Get ready for another “GREAT” AMS meeting next Tuesday, March 16th, 7 pm, at the FOX-12/KPTV Studio, entitled “Recap of Winter 2009-2010 Weather.” Charles Dalton from the National Weather Service and Mark Nelsen, KPTV Ch 12, will present. We hope you can come. Given the snow fall in the West Hills last week, are we really done with winter? Come find out from the experts. This is going to be a great meeting! The general public is also welcome!

    For detailed driving directions and meeting flyer, click:

    Steve Pierce
    Oregon AMS

  19. Steady rain has stopped, 0.57″ so far since midnight. Temp was up to 54.6°F at 6 this morning. Currently down to 41.1°F.

  20. WEATHERDAN says:

    How many of you know about Kwvt channel 17 out of Salem. They broadcast in HD something called the retro tv network. And comcast won,t put them on cable. Retro TV has shows from the 50’s to the 80’s. Right now Salem is 45 degrees with a cold south wind. But at least the Rain has stopped.

  21. Battle Ground Brian says:

    March 11 Rainfall total:

    Battle Ground Lake 1.41″

    • Battle Ground Brian says:

      Typical to see focused rainfall in my area when we receive a strong 850-925mb S-SW flow. There have been numerous times where I have 200%+ of the daily rainfall of areas along the I-5 corridor when we have this type of wind flow. I have Bells Mtn (2200ft) just 4 miles east of me and then a 4000ft mountain range about 13 miles ENE of me. This nearby upsloping enhances my precip totals.

  22. SR says:

    We dumped satelite a year ago, then got a converter box and exterior yagi antenna for the roof. I see the 16×9 image and the picture quality is superior to what I used to get from DirectTV. Its free, too, and I don’t lose the signal like I used to on ocassion with satelite.

  23. Mr Data says:

    So which on of you is Mark Nelson on here?

    I see someone named just (Mark) and am not sure if it’s the same person.

  24. Mr Data says:

    I don’t (need) TV due to being a weather geek but I used to be (addicted) to Mark’s weather broadcasts and mom would either try to get me when it’s on or I would ask her to (flip the channel). 🙂

  25. Eric - Troutdale(300ft) says:

    Mark do you know when KPTV is going full HD? Also I voted for 16X9 because I have all widescreen HDTVs in my house and it would be nice to see the whole screen filled out graphic wise.

    • Mark Nelsen says:

      They are working on it but no date is set. I find it hard to believe it’ll be more than 1.5 years away. I have a feeling there is no major push because the station that switched to HDTV well before the rest of us (in Portland) didn’t see any jump in ratings. Apparently viewers think it looks better but didn’t care enough to change channels over it.

  26. boydo3 N Albany 500' says:

    I don’t get KPTV at all. In all its wisdom, comcast has decided that North Albany is considered in the Corvallis market (but I live 10 miles NW of Corvallis). Here I live closer to the Portland area than all of Corvallis and Albany but I don’t get the programming that the rest of Albany gets! What the………?

  27. Mr Data says:

    The answer is both yes and no:

    For some reason 12 and 8 are off the air:

    We have a HD TV we bought and later when the Goverment killed (regualer) TV’s we can only get channels 2 and 6 in High Definition.

    Sometimes we can get 22 and a few others but stormy weather like this and you can’t get those.

    There also used to be a channel that would run HD streaming webcams for 24/7 that went off the air when the Big Brother Goverment changed things.

    • Mark says:

      Haha, Big Brother Government? I love the ‘1984’ reference!

    • dabears (Hillsboro-Tanasbourne) says:

      That darn Big Brother Government trying to improve technology and bring TV up to 21st century standards. Commies!!!!

  28. Sandi (Wilsonville) says:

    We only see that graphics that are on the KPTV website, not what is broadcast.

    When the gov’t killed TVs, we let ours stay that way as an experiment. It has a Wii and DVD player attached. No TV signal though. One of our 4 kids is campaigning to have it back to watch sports, but overall it’s nice having it off.

    • Andrew Johnson says:

      I wonder what percentage of people who don’t have cable or satellite just opted to just give up television when we made the digital transition. I know that my dad’s tv is now off and at my house I decided that cable was an expense I don’t need right now and my tv has been off (with the exception of dvd’s) as well. Funny thing is that I don’t miss it. Get all my news online and if there is a sporting event on I just go over to my in-laws.

    • Mark Nelsen says:

      I’m a bit biased since I’m IN the business, but I have to say I watch very little television. It’s pretty much Netflix, Streaming Netflix, and computer for entertainment. And as a weather geek, well, you know how much info there is on the internet for us.

    • pappoose in scappoose says:

      Must watch football, nascar, news&weather(Mark Nelsen).

    • Ryan (Walnut Grove) says:

      I cancelled DirecTV some time ago and never looked back. I have a Winegard antenna on the house for local television. Everything else is Netflix, Redbox, or streaming from the web via an HTPC.

      I don’t watch nearly as much tube as I used too.

    • sds says:

      Haven’t had TV for 30+ yrs. and don’t miss it one bit–have a farm to keep me busy and and the internet for the rest!!

  29. I have the same issues as does Larry and Rob.

  30. SalemPhil says:

    I actually should vote yes and no. It depends on which tv I am watching. How about a vote on the oversized crawlers on the bottom of the screen. No matter which tv I am watching, something is cut out by this EXTREMELY annoying thing!!

  31. something i’m wondering about is why does the kptv image appear squeezed, then jumps to normal view, on what seems to be random occasions…

  32. Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

    I see just the 4×3 area. Oh one thing I have noticed recently is for some reason the overall volume on Channel 12 is much quieter than usual. Anyone else?

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