Deep Weather Thoughts

Actually I don’t have any real deep thoughts about today’s weather. A nice surge of southerly wind. I put the peak gust map to the left. Looks as if Aurora had top honors with a peak of 48 mph. The 38 at PDX and 46 at SLE are the highest since before Thanksgiving. That does show that we haven’t had a good storm cycle (regular systems moving through on a westerly jet) since the intial one that started the wet season the first half of November.

So…the big question is “do maps for next week show us finally entering a long wet period?”. Maybe or maybe not. I was encouraged last night at this time, but the recent 18z/00z GFS is a bit more disturbing if you want active weather up here in the Pacific Northwest. The first thing that jumps out at me is both the 00z NAM and GFS now show far more splitting Saturday and Sunday; and much warmer 850mb temps. It had looked as if we’d get some decent snow in the Cascades this weekend, not heavy, but at least 5-10″. Now with warmer temps, Saturday could just end up being mild and partly to mostly cloudy.

Beyond that the other thing I notice is how far south the strong jet punches into the USA. Sunday through Tuesday it’s aimed not just at California, but Southern California and Northern Baja! That leaves us on the far northern fringe of the storms…our coastal waters appear to be the graveyard for deep surface lows that unload on California. For example last night’s 00z and the 12z GFS was awfully close to windstorm territory for us with a few lows. But now the 00z GFS has lows farther south and much drier conditions overhead, although generally cool temps hold firm. I’m just thinking that the next few days our models will back off slightly more, and we could easily end up with a dead weather week…one that showed so much promise just a day or two ago. Geez, I don’t mean to bring everyone down, just pointing out the possibility. Plus, someone suggested I shake things up a bit on here, so there you go…discuss.

Chief Meteorologist Mark Nelsen

99 Responses to Deep Weather Thoughts

  1. Snow-Zone/Monmouth-Elv200' says:

    The blog sure is quiet…….

  2. Timmy_Supercell (Hillsboro) says:

    WEATHERDAN did make a good point about this winter. He was talking about “winter” wasn’t he? All the cold we had before winter, Jesse. After winter started (expect for a few days), its been tropical as far as temperatures. And looks to continue throughout much of this month. Maybe wind isn’t over (via current GFS), but everything else looks dismal.

    • Timmy_Supercell (Hillsboro) says:

      Typo error:

      I meant to say “All the cold we had was before winter even started.”

  3. dabears (Hillsboro-Tanasbourne) says:

    I’m liking the 18z. Is that maybe a borderline overrunning snow event around 180 I’m seeing? Still new to this climate so I’m not great at reading the models for close events like that, so I suspect I might be getting hopeful over nothing.

  4. Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

    Well since it’s boring here….

    6zGFS NCEP/NOAA 24hour Pacific Surface Display

    947mb low nearing southern tip of Aleutian Islands.

    This matches up very well on IR Loop.
    http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/wxloop.cgi?ir_common+12
    Also note the fast strong jet developing near 170 W, 40 N.

    Oh I left out the long term forecast from NWS AFD.

    .LONG TERM…MEDIUM RANGE MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH THE LARGE SCALE PATTERN MON THROUGH THU AS A VERY STRONG JET TAKES AIM AT CA. SEVERAL DISTURBANCES WILL ROTATE NE TOWARD THE PAC NW EACH SEPARATED BY 12-24 HOURS. EACH OF THESE LOW PRES SYSTEMS WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BRING STRONG WINDS TO THE COAST AND COAST RANGE…AND POSSIBLY EVEN INTO THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY DEPENDING ON THE EXACT TRACK AND STRENGTH OF THE LOWS.

    • Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

      18zGFS* NCEP/NOAA 24hour Pacific Surface Display

    • Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

      Hmmmm the NWS hasn’t backed off on this possibility. Although the last 3-4 model runs I haven’t seen much. The exit jet along the Coast doesn’t look special. Also the lows are in weakening stages once they near 43 N. However I’m not sold on the jet diving all the way into northern Baja… Hmmmm I guess we’ll have to keep an eye on things given such a strong jet is mighty close to us.

  5. It’s all “Different Strokes for Different Folks”….Everyone has their preferences…Some like it this way, some like it that way..

    I prefer windstorms but also like any kind of interesting weather..All four seasons have something to offer…

    So that being said, I’ll take another east wind storm or my favorite, a southwind one. 🙂

  6. pgiorgio says:

    Atleast all this HP gave you all excitement at Crown Point. Blessing in disguise? Seems like we(especially myself) need to focus on the positives more instead searching for the negatives.

  7. Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

    We were truly spoiled by the great historic snows of December 2008. I remember many a Winter with no snow accumulation or a mix at best…. It snowed December 29th, so I’ll take what I can get. In the meanwhile if it’s not rainy outside take advantage of it. February can still be snowy and cold. The past few years we’ve even had some decent snow showers into March and April. Maybe we’ll even get more big east winds for another trip up to Crown Point.

    So look on the brighter side of things.

    • Gordon says:

      Exactly! That pretty much sums up my post below. This winter has been pretty average and maybe slightly better. We don’t always get snow or a nice arctic blast.

  8. Jackfrost (Beaverton) says:

    Ok so I am attending a fishing event on the Wilson river this Saturday. I was under the impression that there wasn’t going to be a ton of rain between now and then, right? Well looking at the projected stream flow on the Wilson it is supposed to rise incredibly fast to a completely unfishable level. I need help here guys, here’s the link to the stream flow site I use.
    http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/river/station/flowplot/flowplot.cgi?TLMO3

    • Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

      Hmmmm 8,400cfs wouldn’t be good.

    • Jackfrost (Beaverton) says:

      Nope, not at all! Rob do you see enough rain to raise it so drastic? That is a huge increase that would have to be caused by at least 1.5-2 inches in rain I would think. Somethings fishy and it aint the river.

    • Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

      Jack,

      Here’s an excerpt from the afternoon PDX NWS AFD

      .SHORT TERM…A WARM FRONT MOVING ACROSS THE N OREGON COAST INTO SW WA HAS BEEN GIVING SOME LIGHT RAIN THIS AFTERNOON…WHILE SUNSHINE HAS BEEN BREAKING THROUGH HIGH CLOUDS TO THE SE. SATELLITE SEEMS TO AGREE WITH MODELS…SHOWING A TRAILING BAROCLINIC BAND REMAINING OVER THE FAR NW PART OF THE DISTRICT TONIGHT AS AN UPPER RIDGE WEAKLY BUILDS INTO THE AREA. THIS BAND MOISTENS UP ON FRI WITH AN INJECTION OF TROPICAL MOISTURE…AND COULD POTENTIALLY BE QUITE WET AROUND THE FRI AFTERNOON AND EVENING TIME FRAME AS IT SLOWLY SAGS SE INTO THE AREA.

      Anytime tropical moisture is introduced QPF amount will increase. It does sound like a recipe for possible heavy rain along the north Coast Range.

  9. JohnD says:

    For myself, I know that my feelings of “weather frustration” are WAY LESS IMPACTING when, as now, the rest of the country is also experiencing a calm and relatively mild period. It is just those periods where everyone else is getting it–and we are not–that are the real killers for me!

    So–hopiing Mark is correct–I am looking forward to a dry mid winter 20 mile bike ride on the Spring Water Trail this Saturday!

    AND I believe that it is WAY too early to try and make any definitive call for the rest of the winter. I still am reasonably optimistic that a significant later season “surprise” still may yet evolve!

  10. Yevgeniy aka Yev says:

    I learned last week that black death had a lot to do with really cold weather condition in 1346…is that really true? i mean logically it does makes sense..

    • Yevgeniy aka Yev says:

      conditions”

    • Jesse-Orchards says:

      Yes, the Black Death was the worst of many periods of disease and famine that gripped Europe during the Little Ice age.

    • Yevgeniy aka Yev says:

      but was it the weather that caused it? or was it something else that i do not want to mention?

    • appraiserbob says:

      It is widely thought to have been an outbreak of bubonic plague caused by the bacterium

    • Jory (Sandy) says:

      From what I understand, the weather caused the growing season to change, and to ruin crops that
      were growing. And it did that year in year out. That caused a famine. Which was fertile ground for the black death.
      There is a discovery channel show about the little ice age. Facinating to watch. At one point, it rained in large parts of Europe for YEARS. Yes, you read that right, YEARS.
      The little ice age is also considered the reason for stratovello violins to sound like they do. The weather changed the growth of the trees that were harvested to make the violins. The wood was denser then normal.
      You might be able to find that TV show if you do a search for it. It’s definately worth the effort searching for it.

    • Jory (Sandy) says:

      I guess it was the History Channel that has been airing it. Here is a link to some info on the video… http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/286237/must_see_tv_the_little_ice_age_big.html

  11. appraiserbob says:

    The best winters are the unexpected ones!

  12. WEATHERDAN says:

    OK, that’s it winters over. Let’s face it, we have about as much chance as a snowman at club med of getting any cold weather here in Oregon the rest of the winter. All of the computer models show warm and somewhat wet for the next 16 days. That puts us at the doorstep of February. And yes I know we can get some arctic cold blasts here in February, but let’s be realistic. It just doesn’t look like it was in the cards for this winter. Now having said that let’s look at what the summers are like following very warm winters. The following very warm winters 57-58, 60-61, 66-67, 69-70, 91-92, were followed by very hot and dry summers. So I believe that we are in for another hot and dry summer. Maybe even hotter than last year. So I think we will have a warmer and drier spring this year. Probably starting early too. Summer will also start early I believe, and be a very hot one. This is going to be unfortunate for several reasons. More Insects and Vermin than usual, less water in the reservoirs hurts farmers,recreation, electrical users, and water consumers. Even the touristas who want to go for a hike in the woods this summer might find them closed due to a high danger of Forrest fires. And given the recent long term trend of warmer summer nights, I think that this will be an issue as well. However since we seem to be in a trend towards colder winters of late there is a good chance that next winter will be much colder here in Oregon. Now just wait until it hits -5 in Salem in February and I am proved to be the fool.

    • PDX Weather Nut says:

      It’s alarming to consider that next summer might be even hotter than last. People so easily forget our string of 100 + degree days and breaking the all time record for number of 90 + degree days in a year.

      Think snow! Ski resorts on Mt. Hood have been suffering with our abnormal winter.

      http://www.kptv.com/weather/22235109/detail.html

    • Jesse-Orchards says:

      Dude, I don’t understand how you can call this a “very warm winter” when we just had our 4th coldest December ever, January has been by no means a blowtorch (though granted it’s been above average)and February is a complete unknown at this point.

      No offense, but your whole post seems to be a bad case of someone talking entirely out of their behind. 😉

    • WEATHERDAN says:

      Jesse the reason that I called this a warm winter is thus. November was one one the top ten warmest winters in Salems history. And December had a high freeing level half the time. Even though it was frequently cold down below. January has been extremely warm the first half. No frosts at Salem, and a freezing level averaging over 8,000 ft. Do you see a trend here Jesse. Winters here in Oregon can be cold in February I realize. However given that it has been a year of relative warmth, and little snow in the cascades it usually ends the way it started. And since this is an El-Nino year. It does not cold good for a sudden turn towards cold and snow. It could happen. But it’s not likely. And you don’t need to be rude.

    • Gordon says:

      I think you people that are calling this winter a bust have been spoiled severly by last year. Last year was one of the best winters around here for cold and snow in quite some time. Take last winter out and look at the last 20 or so winters. I would bet this year would be considered better than the average. Don’t forget we had record cold at the beginning of December for about a week. Now I know that didn’t come with any snow but we did get a 2-4 inch event on the 29th. That is about or slightly above our seasonal average. My point is that this winter has really not been too bad. Yes, comparing to last year its been awful but so have 95% of winter’s around here.

    • pgiorgio says:

      I think people need to really understand that yes December was cold but it WAS a FLUKE! Seriously this was not a typical cold December that you might see in a normal year of La Nina year. The pattern did not give us a ton of cold systems from the Northwest or a huge base of snow on Mt. Hood. A fluke lame Arctic Blast that gave us virtually no frozen precip and HP that caused inversion in the valley. I dont consider that significant

    • pgiorgio says:

      [normal year (or) La Nina year]

    • Gordon says:

      Dude, how do you call December’s cold a fluke? I know we had some inversion toward the middle and end of the month but the arctic blast that lasted a week at the beginning of the month was real and one of the coldest in quite some time. So was last December’s snows a fluke too?

    • Mark Nelsen says:

      I’ll add to this:

      1. We don’t know it’ll be a “warm winter” until at least the end of January. Then we’ll have December & January temps to look at. More likely we really won’t know until mid-February, so it’s definitely too early.

      2. I don’t think I agree about the “fluke” thing. A combo of arctic air and then chilly high pressure with cold nights is a pretty normal way to get a cold month.

      3. El Nino winters DO tend to be deader in the 2nd half of the winter (from now forward to early March), so if history is an indication, odds are definitely tilted towards lame weather for the next 6 weeks MOST OF THE TIME. But maybe another quick blast or east wind+snowfall is on the way in the middle of all that boring weather. We don’t know yet.

      4. I too look forward to some sunny 55-65 degree days the 2nd half of February and early March, I hope that’s the case this year.

    • Timmy_Supercell (Hillsboro) says:

      Its still safe to say that “so far” its been a warm winter since those record breaking temperatures were before the 21st.

  13. Jesse-Orchards says:

    Man this weather sucks.

  14. Runrain says:

    Yippee! Spring has arrived!!!

    • PDX Weather Nut says:

      Did winter ever appear? December was cold but come on, one month? People would be aghast if summer here lasted only one month.

  15. Mr Data says:

    Fact: In reality it was suppose to be blow the main down such as when you are sailing a ship but the song turned into that which wounded up being the popular/ tradional classic we see today and it’s many varations.

    I was just trying to end/finish off what ChudyD81 started since it sounded like a song to me.

  16. Timmy_Supercell (Hillsboro) says:

    Latest GFS does show some interesting lows in the Pacific…. However the storm projected to hit Western OR on Tue/Wed in this run is a tad too far offshore…

    http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/loops/wxloop.cgi?mm5d1_x_slp+///3

    • Timmy_Supercell (Hillsboro) says:

      I really hope yesterday’s 12z run continues. If not, we are definitely screwed over, like totally. 🙂

    • gidrons says:

      That low at hour 180 looks interesting with the cold air its pulling down. Move that low 200 miles east and we get some low snow levels…

  17. Mr Data says:

    Makes me think of ‘Blow the Man Down’

    Version 1:

    With a way aye blow the man down! 🙂 Oh blow the man down bullies blow the man down. Give me some time to blow the man down.

    48F here and mostly cloudy.

  18. ChuckyD81 says:

    Blow ye winds like the trumpets,
    But without that sound.

    OHHHHHHH…deep “weather” thoughts.
    Sorry…I channeled Mr. Handy there.

  19. Latest GFS run does keep open a glimmer of hope for windy weather….No cold/snow….Actually, not a lot of rain either…

    Rain is just offshore…

    Even 50° currently

  20. Silverton500 says:

    Ho hum…not even snow in the hills above me to go play in. Not even a snowflake in our near future. Is it too soon to call all of January a bust? Any hope for February? I’m thinking our last, best hope is strong showers in March like we had a few years ago that drove heavy snow showers down to the valley (but melted quickly). But still, it’s something to hold on to. Other than that, how about them Cowboys?!
    Or Mark, did you get your computer fixed? Maybe someone can hack Mark’s weather computer and order up a change to the weather. Wind followed by snow would be nice – thunderstorm optional.

  21. appraiserbob says:

    .LONG TERM…NO CHANGES. PREVIOUS DISCUSSION FOLLOWS…MEDIUM RANGE MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT WITH THE LARGE SCALE PATTERN SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY. A VERY STRONG JETJETA fast-moving wind currentsurrounded by slower moving air.Click for More… TAKES AIM AT CALIFORNIA. HOWEVER…THE SMALL SCALE DETAILS ARE A LITTLE UNCLEAR AND WILL NEED TO BE WORKED OUT OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. SEVERAL DISTURBANCES WILL ROTATE NORTHEASTWARD TOWARD THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST COAST SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY EACH SEPARATED BY ABOUT 24 HOURS. EACH OF THESE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BRING HIGH WINDS TO THE COAST AND COAST RANGE…AND POSSIBLY EVEN INTO THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY DEPENDING ON THE EXACT TRACKTRACKThe path that a storm or weathersystem follows.Click for More… THAT EACH LOW TAKES. FOR NOW…RAINY AND WINDY AT TIMES LOOKS LIKE THE WAY TO GO. ALSO MAY SEE SOME DECENT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS IN THE CASCADES. ONE MORE THING…BRIEFLY LOOKED AT MJOMJOMadden-Julian Oscillation- Tropicalrainfall exhibits strongvariability on time scales shorterthan the seasonal El Niño-SouthernOscillationClick for More… AND IT APPEARS WE ARE MOVING INTO A MORE ACTIVE PERIOD WHICH MAY HELP ENHANCE OVERALL SYSTEM STRENGTH.

  22. Punxsutawney (aka HIO Phil at work by Sunset High) ~280' says:

    Actually saw some light in the western sky when I left work last night. We are now at the point of the winter where temps start to warm up, though the process is very slow unlike the fall plunge, and won’t stop until we get to late July-early August.

    No sign of low land snow on the models and as Mark mentioned, next week per the 12z GFS is looking pretty dry with the jet well south.

    I’m hoping we get another weather surprise like we did at the end of December in the next few weeks, otherwise look for a wet late spring.

  23. It may not be a snowstorm, but it sure was great to feel some sun shining in this morning!

  24. pappoose in scappoose says:

    El Stinko

  25. wwm says:

    maybe we can have a “re-name” El-nino contest…

    lets hear some ideas…

  26. wwm says:

    El Stinko

  27. Mr Data says:

    Good night.

    45.1F here.

    We now return you back to our regulary scheduled program called ‘Reality’

  28. Mr Data says:

    Hey Annie:

    If you are curious my email is at 86kylexj@wavecable.com if you want to learn about Silverton’s weather/climate and intresting weather stories then come on over.

    Our weather can be different/unpredictable then portland when it comes to where storms land…….. though according to *Utah Climate Center* Silverton has seem to warm up at night in the last 10 years and we don’t get as much T-storms as parts of Portland Metro area. 😦

    Urban Heat Island I guess………..For a while I didn’t know Silverton even HAD a weather station.

  29. Azzurri says:

    This has been an amazing 3 weeks. Just the worst possible scenario for Cypress which will be hosting the 2010 Olympic skiing freestyle and snowboarding events. We started off with over 6 ft of snow, however some areas have turned completely bare in 3 weeks. In fact they are preserving the snow by putting tarps over it, and they are currently transporting snow from the upper portions of the run to the mid-bottom sections. All this while Whistler has seen 26.7ft of snow!!!!!!

  30. Karl Bonner says:

    Whoa, funny that I was just pondering the question of how often the storms aim at So-Cal and North Baja!

    If next week were the 3rd week of February instead of the 3rd week of January, the pattern wouldn’t be quite as depressing, thanks to the stronger sun being able to warm us up and make the daffodils and plum trees bloom early. In early March 2001 we had a sunny 71-degree day in Eugene at the same time a storm was buffeting central Cali. That leads me to believe that 61 ought to be very manageable by the 15th or 16th of Feb. under good circumstances.

  31. Aloha Rainshadow says:

    El Nino sucks the toes of a fury dwarf elf.

    • Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

      Honestly this could very well be your best post since the inception of the Blog. That includes either of your usernames as well.

      Good night all.

      C’mon 6z/12z ! 😆

    • Aloha Rainshadow says:

      Thanks Rob, just sick of this boooooooring weather. I agree, hoping for some good runs coming soon but per my email earlier today, i didn’t see anything that got me to excited, bleah.

    • Annie in Vancouver ~330 ft. says:

      May I ask – what is this email list that I see people sometimes refer to here on the blog? Is it an extension, of sorts, of the same info in the comments here on the blog? Or, is there additional information being shared/exchanged in the emails? Does one have to be an educated person, weather-wise, or part of the “Flab5 category” to get on the email list? Is it for extra special people only? Or is it something that say, a person like me could be included in on? I don’t have much to contribute with forecasting (ok, NOTHING to contribute!) but I’d love to just read the emails and “lurk”.

      I feel a bit funny even asking, like I’m inviting myself to a party or something! So, if I’m out of line I am sincerely sorry! I don’t wanna stick my nose where it doesn’t belong 🙂

      Thanks guys!!
      Annie

    • W7ENK says:

      @Annie – I was wondering the same thing myself! I’m just starting to get my feelers about this place, and I’ve heard references to these things, too. My curiosity is certainly piqued! But, like you, I don’t want to step out of line, either.

      8^)

    • Annie in Vancouver ~330 ft. says:

      W7ENK – 😉 thanks! I’m glad I’m not alone! Here’s to finding out!

      G’night!

    • Eugene in Vancouver says:

      If it took half a chicken a half a day to lay half of an egg, how long would it take a cross-eyed grasshopper to kick a wart off of a cucumber? El Nino.

    • Eugene in Vancouver says:

      The grasshopper had one wooden leg.

    • J from north Vancouver says:

      Also curious about this “e-mail list” where it seems like more “technical” discussion takes place. And, I miss Steve Pierce’s input (and others who I recognize as knowing something about meteorology) on this blog.

  32. Josh "The Snowman" From Everett,WA but in Mulino/Clarkes area with my dad!! says:

    Let’s all just thank god that we haven’t had a destructive earthquake that has either killed us or any of our families.

    We should all grab those closest to us and give them a kiss tonight and be thankful el-nino is all we have to be worried about.

  33. Eugene in Vancouver says:

    They say it never rains in southern California…
    I say it never snows in northwest Oregonia.

    • Karl Bonner says:

      Perfect analogy there! They get their rain once or twice a year that lasts only a day or less, and that’s about how often we get snow.

    • W7ENK says:

      But, then why can’t they always coincide? I love snow! And just when I was beginning to get my hopes up, too. I agree, El Niño really urks me!

  34. Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

    C’mon 00z EURO!

    • Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

      Critics: Thumbs down
      Rating scale: 1
      Reviews: 0 stars
      Olympic judge: 4.2
      Drunk guy at bar: 1 pitcher

      You get the idea.

  35. Thanks for the update Mr. Nelson!

  36. wwm says:

    ugggggggg… wheres the nearest open window.

    stinkin nino

    • Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

      Only a 6′ drop for me! We’re talking only a broken leg or dislocated shoulder at best! That won’t get the job done to put me out of my El Nino misery. 🙂

    • wwm says:

      hahaha, yeah me too, I was just typing this thinking how all I would do with the noise is alert the dog, this would do nothing except cause fierce wagging of the tail attempted licks.

  37. pgiorgio says:

    I;ve always hated El Nino Northwest weather. So predictable and consistent. SPLIT BORING!!!
    You brought me down with that post. Already having a terrible night so why not

    • Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

      Even I am becoming a tad discouraged, but things could be so much worse and not just in the weather world.

  38. Rob "Wrath" S.E. Portland says:

    Mark, thanks for the update. I think I’m starting to hate El Nino finally.

  39. PDX Weather Nut says:

    What a bummer! Hopefully the pattern will change soon.

  40. Christiana--Forest Grove says:

    Thanks for the update Mark. Who knows by this time tomorrow everything could shift again.

  41. boydo3 N Albany says:

    OK Mark, so I’ll repeat my previous post. Your analysis is just more technical! I think we agree! lol!

    Layman’s forecast:
    next couple days, fog low clouds, maybe a sun break
    few days following, light rain drizzle,dank and cool
    after that, eight ball says “your future is uncertain”
    later on, “Players, place your bets…”
    long range, “continued weather”
    Mental response is, “I wonder what air fares are to that sunny, warm location we went to a few years ago? Remember those blue skies, tropical breezes, warm ocean? Ahhh…..”

  42. Yeah, the latest GFS did indeed cripple the potential windstorm pattern…….Don’t get many of ’em in an El Nino year anyway…

    Mountain snowpack indicative of an El Nino year as well so far…

  43. Austin-felida says:

    el nino can go die haha

  44. Tyler in Hazel Dell says:

    El Nino is flexing it’s muscle!

    I figured January-February would be dry, the really dry December through me off!

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