Cold and Wet

610day.03  An early post tonight.  We are doing a food drive here at FOX-12 all day/evening long.  I'm headed out the the Fred Meyer at Highway 217 & Canyon Road in Beaverton from 7-11pm.  Any of you are welcome to stop by and say hi (and bring food if you can!).  I'll probably be off/on busy from 8-9pm and 10-11pm during our shows, so if I act rude, scowl, and shove you out of the camera view don't take it personally…the show must go on!  Seriously though, feel free to stop by and chat weather.

Once again I've posted the 6-10 day 500mb heights and deviation from normal.  The big red circles tell the story.  A strong 500mb ridge or at least well above normal heights will continue just to our northwest through the next week and a half.  In fact I noticed the most recent models don't have any chance for decent snow in the mountains until about 10 days from now (NEXT Friday or Saturday!).  Gotta go!  Mark Nelsen

126 Responses to Cold and Wet

  1. sds--N. Clark Co. says:

    Hey what happened to everyones comments on Thursday??–too much turkey??

  2. Ryan (Walnut Grove) says:

    00Z in a word… Sucks.
    Hopefully the 06Z picks up on the earlier trends.

  3. Ryan (Walnut Grove) says:

    00Z in a word… Sucks.
    Hopefully the 06Z picks up on the earlier trends.

  4. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    Blazer stomp the heat. Great game.
    Off to bed early.
    Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.
    (If the winds increase and wake me up I will be back)

  5. Camas Mom says:

    Windy here today – and that only happens with downslope winds (pretty much). Wish I could give you specifics, but the weather station isn’t set up. 🙂 Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

  6. Gordon (Vancouver near FVHS) says:

    Is the 00Z done running yet? I don’t know how to read the models so I look forward to everyone’s analysis.

  7. Gordon (Vancouver near FVHS) says:

    Is the 00Z done running yet? I don’t know how to read the models so I look forward to everyone’s analysis.

  8. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    My peak gust: 47.1mph at 8:49 PM
    [Pressure gradients]
    As of 9 PM
    PDX-DLS: -8.7
    TTD-DLS: -8.5
    OTH-GEG: -11
    Some relatively strong gusts
    Troutdale: 44mph
    Corbett: 51mph

  9. Richard (Derek's Dad) says:

    Thanks to all that commented on Derek’s post. I will send them on to Derek.

  10. Tyler in Vancouver says:

    Kind of a weak day for east winds (at Crown Point). I should have known, when the east winds are blowing at my house, its more of a downslope event, and therefore not forced through the gorge. I recorded a peak gust of 58.1 up at Crown Point around 2:15 this afternoon. I was surprised at how gusty it was when I returned. I had winds down to 5 mph, then back up to 52 mph, it was bouncing all over the place.
    Still made for some good pictures, and I will share later.
    Upon returning home, I have measured a peak gust of 28 mph. Out here in Hazel Dell though, it’s relatively calm.

  11. Tyler in Vancouver says:

    Kind of a weak day for east winds (at Crown Point). I should have known, when the east winds are blowing at my house, its more of a downslope event, and therefore not forced through the gorge. I recorded a peak gust of 58.1 up at Crown Point around 2:15 this afternoon. I was surprised at how gusty it was when I returned. I had winds down to 5 mph, then back up to 52 mph, it was bouncing all over the place.
    Still made for some good pictures, and I will share later.
    Upon returning home, I have measured a peak gust of 28 mph. Out here in Hazel Dell though, it’s relatively calm.

  12. Mike (Sweet Home) says:

    Now foggy here in Albany.

  13. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    Corbett 50mph
    Troutdale 40mph again
    Locations in Gresham/Troutdale up away from the river 200-300′ 40-45mph.
    I think a Wind Advisory for areas E of I-205 may be plausible.

  14. Richard (Derek's Dad) says:

    The highs where Derek was in Los Angeles during the November 14th-16th fire storm, was 90, 92 and 95. These were all near record highs.

  15. Richard (Derek's Dad) says:

    The highs where Derek was in Los Angeles during the November 14th-16th fire storm, was 90, 92 and 95. These were all near record highs.

  16. Mike (Sweet Home) says:

    Out running around in Albany tonight. Currently mostly clear skies and no wind.

  17. Sarah (E. Gresham) says:

    It’s getting quite blowy (as I would say) out here. I just had to go out and take in some stuff from my patio before it all blew away.

  18. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    43.7mph gust here.

  19. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    [Pressure gradients]
    As of 7 PM
    PDX-DLS: -9.7
    TTD-DLS: -9.0
    OTH-GEG: -12
    Nearing 10mb… Nice indeed.
    Troutdale 40mph now.
    I am willing to bet areas up away from the river in Gresham/Troutdale are exceeding that.

  20. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    [Pressure gradients]
    As of 7 PM
    PDX-DLS: -9.7
    TTD-DLS: -9.0
    OTH-GEG: -12
    Nearing 10mb… Nice indeed.
    Troutdale 40mph now.
    I am willing to bet areas up away from the river in Gresham/Troutdale are exceeding that.

  21. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    Very impressive gusts now.
    It is roaring all throughout the house louder than the TV, computer, and music playing in here.
    Gusting 35-40+ now. This is starting to get to the point where the gusts are powerful enough to say this is an actual east wind event. These are quite fun (for me).
    Any increase from this point and I may consider it an east wind storm.

  22. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    Very reasonable that the winds will continue to slowly increase all evening/overnight.

  23. HIO Phil (Punxsutawney) elevation 189' says:

    It’s still breezy out here. It’s only dropped off 1-2mph from the peak so far this afternoon. Top gust 23mph.
    Well said about the Santa Anna’s “BG Rob”. I lived for a time in the hills west of the San Fernando Valley so I know the fires down there well.

  24. Ryan (Walnut Grove) says:

    I believe you can get frost even when the air temperature is not freezing as warm as 35 degrees I believe?

  25. Mat out in Fairview now, the Salmon Killer says:

    So you think it will increase more through the night or stay steady Rob?

  26. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    [Pressure gradients]
    As of 6 PM
    PDX-DLS: -8.7
    TTD-DLS: -8.6
    OTH-GEG: -13
    We are at the peak I projected already! This is exactly why I have been weighing so heavily the ideas of revamping this.

  27. the *other* Rob (BG Lake) says:

    Derek – I used to live down there, growing up in Orange County and going to school in Claremont. With the Santa Ana winds (similar to our local hot east winds), all the smoke just flies out of the area – at 70mph or so, it takes less than an hour for the smoke near Arcadia to make it out over the ocean. Also, with the great heat of the fires, the smoke can actually climb high enough to escape above the mountains. If I remember, the major fires were all south and west of Arcadia, so Derek was actually upwind from the fire, so that also would’ve contributed to the clear air.
    When the Santa Ana winds ends in Arcadia, there’s actually an on-shore flow at the coast, stopping the smoke from escaping and actually pushing it back inland – towards Arcadia. Also, with the cooler temperatures, there’s not as much heat to take the smoke particles up and away from the area. It’s not too different from why the area down there called the Inland Empire (San Bernardino/Riverside) always catches the smog – the air stagnates, as it can’t escape over the mountains and it can’t travel upwind to the oceans.
    The indian name for the area where San Bernardino is now was “Land of 1000 Smokes”, suggesting the smog-like atmosphere was a problem there long before cars were brought in.

  28. Brian in Bellingham says:

    http://www.canr.msu.edu/vanburen/ffdif.htm
    That explains it better then I can. Sometimes you have a frost, but not quite a freeze, and sometimes it freezes, but not enough moisture for a frost.

  29. Mat out in Fairview now, the Salmon Killer says:

    Mark, was that a pink tie you had on again??
    Wind is definitely blowin’ out there. So the models seem to be sprucing up to our likings. I likey alot.

  30. TriforceofEternity says:

    And is that 95F a record for the date Derek’s Dad?

  31. TriforceofEternity says:

    How can their not be frost and have a freeze at the same time?
    As far as frost and freeze, my simple guess is that a freeze is when temps get to 32 or below, but frost would be when there is enough moisture in the air to cause frost on the ground when the temps get to 32 or below. So it can freeze, but not have a frost if there is not enough moisture in the air.
    Posted by: Brian in Bellingham | Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 10:06 AM
    ??????????????????????

  32. Derek (Arcadia, California) says:

    Dr Rob or others: I’m Derek’s dad, and could you or anyone who wants to, please respond to this post of Derek’s, then I’ll make sure that he gets those responses.
    11/17/2008
    It was very hot and windy on Saturday which helped to create these monster fires in my area. When the winds were blowing, even theugh the fires were only a few miles away, the air was fine. But on Sunday when it was calm, it got super smokey. It was hot too, about 95. No rain in sight. Currently, looking forward to some arctic air,… anything’s possible with A&W, right?
    Posted by: Derek (Arcadia, California)

  33. Derek (Arcadia, California) says:

    Dr Rob or others: I’m Derek’s dad, and could you or anyone who wants to, please respond to this post of Derek’s, then I’ll make sure that he gets those responses.
    11/17/2008
    It was very hot and windy on Saturday which helped to create these monster fires in my area. When the winds were blowing, even theugh the fires were only a few miles away, the air was fine. But on Sunday when it was calm, it got super smokey. It was hot too, about 95. No rain in sight. Currently, looking forward to some arctic air,… anything’s possible with A&W, right?
    Posted by: Derek (Arcadia, California)

  34. pedro771-tigard says:

    Wow the models have improved a lot in the short time since the last I looked. For once the GFS is actually trending towards cold once we get closer not warmth! Lets hope this trend continues. The 18z shows us getting pretty chilly for the next week with N and NE winds.

  35. Dr. Rob -Far S.E. Portland- says:

    I like Mark’s update forecast on the Fox12 page.
    KPTV Forecast
    * Strong Wind Tonight *
    High pressure has settled in east of the Cascades this evening. Wind is flowing from there out towards a storm in the Pacific. The wind will be strongest between 7pm and daybreak. We could see easterly gusts to 45 mph in eastern Clark County and near the Columbia River Gorge during that time. Elsewhere it’ll be a windy night with gusts to 30-35 mph.

  36. Andrew Johnson (Silverton) says:

    Ya its an interesting trend, it digs some pretty cold air into the nations midsection toward the end of next week.

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