Nice Little Snowstorm

All done with weather sessions for today…once again I can’t believe I’m stuck in Texas and missing the great snowstorm.  That’s not only for professional reasons, but personal as well.  I love seeing a good snowfall too just like the rest of the weather fanatics.

What a bust…but when the forecast calls for "up to an inch" of snow (NWS) or 1-2" (me, unfortunately via blog only) it shouldn’t be an incredible surprise that 1-3" falls.  Unfortunately it appears that it was 2-5"…so, obviously a bust.  And most important is the public perception which I assume will be "the best snowstorm in 3 years and no one called for it".  It is good that some of you did better than I did on snow amounts.  Of course I have to remind you that there were at least several times this winter that forecasters on this blog expected snow and it never materialized, so that works both ways…just a gentle reminder of course.  I really wich I could be there for the "after storm" discussion on the other stations to see what the other weather folks say…we can’t get defensive and cranky after these sorts of busts.

I don’t have much to say about the next few days since I haven’t looked very far ahead.  So enjoy the snow…Mark

903 Responses to Nice Little Snowstorm

  1. ChuckyD81 says:

    w.v.m. …
    I’m sure you know “mb” stands for millibars right?
    So when you look at a 500mb, or 850mb chart you’re looking at a constant plane of that pressure. The lines you see are what is referred to as contours…aka heights. In other words the 564dm line shows you where, geographically, that the pressure of 500mb was reached…at a height of 564 decameters that is. This allows you to see where upper level troughs and ridges are due to the shape the contours take on.
    Does that make any sense…I sometimes fall short in explaining things. I also sometimes make mistakes so please feel free to ask a question!!!

  2. Christiana--Beaverton says:

    Just a quick note to say: Mark is back!

  3. wwm says:

    maybe a dumb question, for anyone…
    what does the 500mb stand for? and the 850mb? I was looking again at the gfs and am trying to learn what some of that stuff is. I know it refers to heights in the atmosphere (sp?)or something around those lines right?

  4. AKB-tigard says:

    well now you have the last word, i guess you needed it more than me. well not any more kirk now i have it. lol just playing with you. so does it look to be fairly warm the next week?

  5. KIRK says:

    I love how you guys have to have the last word…………”Kirk, cut your losses….you’re looking a little silly.”……OR
    “Kirk As far as I am concerned, the right wing banter can stop just as much as the left wing banter!!”…..If you want it to stop then shut up. I made 1 comment. Did it really hurt you that bad that I do not agree with you. I am done ARE YOU!!!

  6. Andrew---Ellensburg, Wa and Portrland, Or says:

    VERY VERY heavy snow here right now, wow. 1/2 inch in 10 minutes

  7. Sandi (Wilsonville) says:

    The snow was a very nice diversion… and now we’re back to continually foggy, grey days in the lovely Willamette Valley. Any ideas/thoughts on when we can break out the sun? Or at least be rid of this day-in-and-day-out fog?

  8. AKB-tigard says:

    i think left-wingers are the only ones with sense in this country right now. ok sorry i had to say ill shutup now!

  9. SWpdxclimber says:

    Anyone ever read the book “The Marching Morons”? It really was ahead of its time in prophesying a person’s ability to stick its proverbial head in the sand. Seeing some of the ignorance here denying human involvement with global warming is embarrassing. This argument must be dropped. Kirk, cut your losses….you’re looking a little silly.

  10. Clinton says:

    Oh sorry about that. upper level disturbances not strong enough to generate any widespread moisture. So instead, get some locallized instablility and forms a small band of intense precipitation. That is how the coast got that 10-12 inches of snow.
    Agree with Jacob. This is my Friday, and I come back on nights next week. With models all over the place later next week, confidence is definitely not high. Still, will have to watch next saturday. probably flip-flop over the weekend and show the front stalling to our north. Hmmmm.

  11. jacob BPA says:

    Dont be to hard on koin they are actually trying to forecast
    We also saw they cold air today for late next week feel it may be a little stronger then what is showing but will wait till I go back to work Monday to look at Weather Im done till then need a weather break.

  12. Paul says:

    yeah…lets dis the Complain Radio
    banter.
    How does a convective bubble work?

  13. salemphil says:

    Kirk…
    As far as I am concerned, the right wing banter can stop just as much as the left wing banter!!
    There are alot of new people who have not seen the fights that have started here concerning global warming. They therefore do not know that it is a forbidden topic on this blog. For the sake of all of us please end this conversation NOW!!
    Besides if anymore of this political hot air is released, I am sure global warming will be hastened lol!

  14. Clinton says:

    More of interest to me is a surge of cold air as a cold front over BC arrives later Friday night and Saturday (jan 27). That may be more interesting. Seems to have some arctic air that could push into the region before drying out some. Pattern somewhat similar to the one back on Jan 11 that brought snow to the Coast. Maybe we get lucky and get one of those upper level convective bubbles over us, instead of Manzanita.
    Something to watch…Snow perhaps next Friday night/Saturday.

  15. Clinton says:

    Personally, I see rain next Thursday. Snow levels somewhere between 3000 and 5000 feet. Still a lot of noise in the computer models.
    Strong ridge over the western USA through Wednesday. Models notorious for trying to break down such ridges too fast. If this is the case, may again have a delay of moisture. However…models have been showing a system arriving around Thursday, but weakening as it arrives. Should get rain out of it.
    Why do I see no snow? 3 reasons.
    1) No snow covered ground in the Columbia Basin. Sure, we get offshore flow for several days, but doesn’t appear all that cold.
    2) No arctic front to push really cold air into the upper Columbia Basin. Would need this to contribute/enhance offshore flow and bring low dewpoint/dry air to west side.
    3) Seems that flow ahead of the arriving system turns too south/southeasterly to contribute to snow potential. This keeps a warm layer aloft during the event, thus precipitation may fall as snow higher in the Cascades (say above 3000-4000 MSL), but falls are rain down low.
    Just my current thoughts. Rain.

  16. winterhawk says:

    Weather must be getting pretty boring as I see a Global Warming debate has started.
    Oh joy.

  17. kirk says:

    Approximately 15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.
    By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bearing Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America
    …………………………………………………………………………..YA I GUESS MR CAVE MAN WAS BURNING TO MANY CAMP FIRES!!!…..When this blog first started Mark said no political talk!!! Take your left wing banter some where else. Also all you CO2 nuts do a little more research water vapor helps retain more heat. Go hit a few more books that are not written by left wingers but by real scientists.

  18. kirk says:

    WTF is up with KOIN saying snow Thurs/Fri !!! The NWS says this…..Thursday: Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain. Snow level 4000 feet.
    Thursday night: Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain. Snow level 5000 feet.
    Friday: Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain. Snow level 5000 feet. Clinton where are you when we need you!! Did Jeff get a new crystal ball at the weather conference???

  19. mtllamas says:

    hey, any interesting long range “weather” to report on??
    Still have snow and ice up here at 1500. Still feels like an ice box,
    LOVE IT.
    I really love this blog about the weather issues.

  20. mtllamas says:

    hey, any interesting long range “weather” to report on??
    Still have snow and ice up here at 1500. Still feels like an ice box,
    LOVE IT.
    I really love this blog about the weather issues.

  21. Conservative leftist on the far right of liberalism says:

    C’mon!
    Why are you all making this about politics! This is a weather blog. If I wanted to hear about everyone’s political views I would go to http://www.whogivesaSH*#aboutlyingcheatingpoliticians.com
    PLEASE, open your own blog about politics or give me some interesting weather info or opinion.
    (oh, by the way, global warming has been turned into one big political circus)

  22. wwm says:

    Ok, if carbon dioxide is partly to blame (which I am not disagreeing at all)then every time we breathe or have flatulisim (sp?) then we are adding to it. There are more reasons then just “America” causing global warming. And, like I said before there are also cycles that can not be denied.
    As for someone ripping on fox, plllllllease. three liberal stations and one conservitive. besides who cares? If you are open minded enough then do your own research on the net. The so called “big 3” are washed up and out of touch with what is really happening.They all obviously have there own agendas. This is getting way off track and I am sorry. Lets head back to weather. Snow on Thursday you say?

  23. John says:

    I agree Jesse. This is a weather blog. Thanks for your input and opinion, I think I enjoy weather more than politics.lol On to weather!

  24. Jesse says:

    Didn’t mean to post twice. Anyway, I don’t want to ruin this weather blog with a bunch of political discussion, but on the other side I find this informative and a good forum with which to share opinions. I say we all flood antipexs chatroom when we feel like political chat.

  25. Jesse says:

    John, in response to your comment on Fox’s ratings; I’m sure every year americans consume more twinkies than they do fresh salad (McDonalds kind doesn’t count) The fact that something is more popular doesn’t necessarily mean its better, and just because more people choose something doesn’t mean its beneficial to their bodies (or minds). The freak show known as American Idol took in top ratings this week, is that a referendum on it’s quality? I think not.
    And Mr. Ozone Hole. You know, I think if the tens of thousands submarine eruptions were occuring to support your theory, theres just a smidgeon of a chance we might notice. It might disrupt, oh I don’t know, everything to offshore oil drilling to Carnival Cruise lines. Anyway, did you fail to notice my list of FACTS?

  26. Jesse says:

    John, in response to your comment on Fox’s ratings; I’m sure every year americans consume more twinkies than they do fresh salad (McDonalds kind doesn’t count) The fact that something is more popular doesn’t necessarily mean its better, and just because more people choose something doesn’t mean its beneficial to their bodies (or minds). The freak show known as American Idol took in top ratings this week, is that a referendum on it’s quality? I think not.
    And Mr. Ozone Hole. You know, I think if the tens of thousands submarine eruptions were occuring to support your theory, theres just a smidgeon of a chance we might notice. It might disrupt, oh I don’t know, everything to offshore oil drilling to Carnival Cruise lines. Anyway, did you fail to notice my list of FACTS?

  27. John says:

    One more thing: More watched than all other news stations combined: Fox News

  28. Hole , Mr. Ozone says:

    I think global warming is caused by something completely different. Think about this one: The ocean is a largely unexplored “frontier” that we know very little about in the big scheme of things. I propose that there may be lots of small scale volcanic eruptions in the depths of the ocean that are emitting tons of greenhouse gases. In similar fashion to a soda the ocean is losing it’s “fizz” and eventually releasing these gases into the atmosphere! Think about it…the scientists all say that at one time there were tons of volcanic eruptions going on. Maybe they’ve just all been replaced with submarine eruptions!

  29. John says:

    Wow, I cant watch other channels anymore after fox news. NBC was the one that planted arabs at a NASCAR race to prove that there were “arab haters”. Sorry, I respect everyones opinions, including yours Jesse, but what you have claimed fox news to be, I wonder if I still am in America. I don’t want to start an argument but just had to get that in. Anyways snowflake for thursday?

  30. OR City KC says:

    Kristan-
    Is Fox News really that bad? Or did Michael Moore and his latest “crapumentary” tell you to say that?

  31. Jesse says:

    Jeff Baskin on Channel 6 has a snowflake in for Thursday and highs aroun 40, mentioned something about east winds giving us colder air by then, not sure what he’s seeing.

  32. Jesse says:

    I agree Derek, we shouldn’t waste our time arguing whether or not its there. Rather, we should all be accepting of it and trying to figure out what it is going to do in the long run and what we need to do about it.

  33. Derek-West Gresham says:

    Global warming exists, yup no denying that. Its only smaller details that I find arguable such as more hurricanes..etc when it is in general just about cycles and things. Anyway the real thing to be discussed is whats a REALISTIC solution to it? hmm

  34. Jesse says:

    John, I consider myself an open minded person willing to give ground when the “other side” has a valid point. In fact, I really don’t even see myself on a “side”. I think the whole, “taking sides” partisan stuff really ruins our country, people should stand up for what’s right, not what their party says is right. So I will now say, from a completely objective standpoint, that Fox News a syndicated conservative think tank; an agenda driven, GOP fueled propaganda machine. I am a news junkie, and I usually take pride in the fact that I don’t watch it. But if I am ever unfortunate enough to stumble across Fox news my jaw simply drops at the lack of, fair, fact based exchange and journelistic integrity, instead replaced by a bunch of resentful, brainless, screaming ideologues waving the american flag while at the same time destroying our country with their acrimony. Never could I’ve imagined such a blatantly partisan network allowed on network TV without some sort of disclaimer.
    Ok, promise I’m done now. Back to the weather.

  35. Kristan - Tigard says:

    **oops, typo….
    FOX’s mascot, no ‘their’

  36. Kristan - Tigard says:

    Yeah…I was about to say the same! I mean c’mon….Ann Coulter is like FOX’s their mascot. Sorry, I just needed to rant…
    Back to weather!

  37. WxMan says:

    LOL liberal thinkers at Fox News? Hah!

  38. John says:

    Fox just seems right-winged beacause all of the other ones are left-winged. Sorry, no conservative thinkers at NBC, however, liberal thinkers are at Fox news. NBC, during the election, had about 85% positive things about demcocrats while hardly any about conservatives. Sorry about that but just had to chime in.
    Anyways, pretty curious about the rest of the winter and possiblity of some more snow later next week at the earliest. Hopefull ho-hum weather wont last too long!

  39. Jesse says:

    Looking at the global warming discussion below, there is so much I want to say right now.
    Global warming is occuring. It isn’t just some tree-hugger’s pipe dream concocted to curb industrial pollution in America and throughout the world and make our President look bad. Worldwide temperatures are warming, arctic icesheets are rapidly dissolving, sea levels are rising, even the glaciers of our own Northwest volcanoes that we all hold dear are rapidly melting in a warming climate. Those are all FACTS, there is NO opionion that goes into that conclusion. You cannot change those things, you can’t argue them away. It is simply what is happening. So now that we have those FACTS out of the way, we look to the cause.
    Carbon dioxide is the MAJOR greenhouse gas responsible for trapping heat in our atmosphere leading to increased planetary temperatures. Since the industrial revolution really took hold in the 1870s, Carbon Dioxide levels in the atmosphere have skyrocketed to levels unseen in our current epoch of time. That is another FACT, cannot be molded or manipulated so don’t try. So now it is time to put two and two together, it isn’t so hard. Lets review: Carbon Dioxide is the most common greenhouse gas, most responsible for our planets warming; since the rise of the industrialized world, Carbon Dioxide content in our atmosphere has gone off the charts; Carbon Dioxide is produced by nearly every industrial/economic necessity we have grown accustomed to. Based on those points, it doesn’t take a detective to put the pieces together and see that human beings are indeed responsible for global warming, no argument. I don’t see why people can’t just accept that simple point so we can stop squabbling over the obvious and all move forward to do something about it. HUMAN BEINGS ARE CAUSING GLOBAL TEMPERATURES TO RISE. Nothing will be truly done about this that effects anything until we all accept that truth, an inconvenient one I might add.

  40. OR City KC says:

    OK, I will not jam up the blog anymore with the global warming debate. Back to the weather.

  41. Tornado Aly- Vancouver says:

    Would love to have a contest, except I don’t know what in the heck I’m doing! 🙂 Just spent two hours taking notes off of weather prediction.com, but still have a long ways to go.

  42. Tornado Aly- Vancouver says:

    Would love to have a contest, except I don’t know what in the heck I’m doing! 🙂 Just spent two hours taking notes off of weather prediction.com, but still have a long ways to go.

  43. cnr van wa says:

    SWpdxclimber – For not being a political issue, you made it pretty clear what side of the political fence you sit on.
    I agree with you, but could have done without the extra comments.

  44. OR City KC says:

    Jen,
    I respect Al Gores opinion as much as you respect George Bushs opinion. These are politicians throwing around the political football each with their very own agenda.
    Obviously, you and I are on opposite sides of the earth politically, but that doesn’t mean that we cannot agree on a solution that would best suit this country and the world.
    Both of us could be right or wrong whether global warming is attributed to man. That has no bearing at all though. What the real issue becomes is finding a way to separate ourselves from foreign dependency on oil.
    I suggested going with nuclear power earlier. It is about the cleanest, most efficient, and safest source out there. And if you don’t agree…Google it! Going nuclear would take many years with building of plants and converting our society. At the same time, it would suffocate some of our worst enemies…ie-Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
    Just curious what you think?

  45. Tyler in Vancouver says:

    Just hit 40 degrees here, first time since late on the 9th. 0.14″ of light rain and drizzle for the day today.
    Tyler

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