3:15pm Update…
The Highlights:
- Many streets are wet in the metro area, especially where we’ve seen drizzle (west side right now)
- Temperatures are hovering right around freezing at the lowest elevations
- Temperatures are slightly below freezing on the hills
- Those hilly areas may see roads freeze up soon after sunset 5-7pm. Watch out if you are driving after dark off main roads and at any elevation!
- Even some lower spots may see roads freeze after dark. Be careful the next few hours!
- Little or no new freezing drizzle or flurries are expected through tonight
- Tomorrow morning’s commute is a big question mark, it’s possible there are lots of icy spots if all areas drop below 32 degrees again. Give yourself a little extra time tomorrow morning
It’s been an interesting 8 hours, lots of flurries, although the precipitation has barely been measurable. Now some spots have turned over to drizzle. So plenty of wet streets and roads. Yet just about the entire metro area is at or slightly below freezing.
So how does it drizzle at 31 or 32 degrees and not freeze on roads and other surfaces? It’s a dirty little meteorological secret that during the daytime it needs to be around 30 degrees (or even a little lower) for liquid rain/drizzle to freeze to a surface. I learned this during an ice storm in January 2005 when reporters kept saying the street and sidewalk was melting slightly and it was 29 degrees. It gets just barely warm enough during the daylight hours that the weak sun that makes it through the clouds is enough to keep surfaces warmer than freezing. Here’s a good example using and ODOT road sensor:
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?sid=ODT14&table=1&banner=off
This is I-205 and Division street showing the air temperature briefly peaked at 33 this afternoon but the road temp was up to 37. It’ll drop back to the air temperature after sunset, thus my concern about refreezing in the highlights above.
As for precipitation, we shouldn’t get anything other than what we have already seen. Flurries or spots of freezing drizzle.
Chief Meteorologist Mark Nelsen

I wish I had Mark Brightwood in my Science classes. Might be learnin’ somethin’ about micro-climates and the scientific method. I approve this message.
This might have been answered before but how is it not snowing when its 32 (or less) and its “raining”? I have seen it snow at 35 before.
Simple, there is a layer of warm air above us, which melts the snow into liquid form.
Back in February 1996, I observed rain and a temp of 21…that was so bizarre!
Well, I guess that makes sense.
Rain at 21 would be just wrong….
It’s warmer up above.
My temp has been remarkably steady for 2 hours… not even a 0.1 degree move… 32.7. Roads fine but ice forming on grass, cars, etc..
Eeek!! Getting super icy on the West side now…
Wait, how did you get an image to post? It’s my blog and I don’t know how to do that.
Erik is ex KGB. He has his ways.
It’s called the PFM principle, Mark. Pure F’ing Magic!
I posted a Twitter link that was linked to an image. Apparently that’s the trick.
Leave it to me to stumble into all the cool shiz…
Upper sensor is really on the rise…the inversion is settling down…
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/tower_temps/tower_temps.php?&units=F
A balmy 44 at the 7000′ level on Mt. Hood.
http://www.nwac.us/weatherdata/timberlineupper/now/
31 here.
Any thoughts on the probability of school delays tomorrow morning due to poor road conditions?
I think some of the outlying areas will, just because the routes are more spread out, and some of them are bound to be icy.
No delays.GO TO SCHOOL!!
They have a few buffer days so i expect delays. Use them or lose them.
I guess a good reminder is that 32 is the melting point of water, not the freezing point. Water can easily be liquid well below 32, but not usually frozen too far above.
” Water can easily be liquid well below 32″
huh????
You need to take a Physics class.
Nope…
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111123133123.htm
@IceCold: No, Tyler is right. It’s called supercooling.
But the property of water that “is most fascinating is that you can cool it down well below 32 degrees Fahrenheit [zero Celsius] and it still remains a liquid,” says Molinero.
“tiny amounts of liquid water theoretically still might be present even as temperatures plunge below minus 48 C (minus 55 F) and almost all the water has turned solid”
I think you are missing the point of the article and trying to make it mean something that it is not saying.
Two weekend’s ago I was in Redmond. We left 4 bottles of water in a cooler outside wile it was 9 degrees outside over night. We woke up in the morning and found the bottles all still in liquid form. When we disturbed the idle state, they instantly froze solid. It was pretty cool… still not sure how it happened…
Actually, you’re both wrong. Supercooled water, yes. Supercooled liquid water falling from the sky, also yes. BUT, once the balance of the water molecules in those supercooled droplets gets disrupted, either by coming into contact with something or impurities being introduced to the water, it will near-instantly turn to a solid = ice.
I have placed bottles of water in my freezer over night, pulled them out in the morning and they were still liquid. All you have to do is squeeze the bottle and dent the plastic in one spot, and the water will rapidly turn to a solid ice crystal, radiating from the site of impact. So weird, and SO awesome!
Yes, that is correct.
Well thank you W7, mystery solved.
Hahaha!!
Wow Rich, we must have been on the same wavelength — we posted our water bottle stories at exactly the same time!
A little treat for all of you: http://www.wccca.com/PITS/
Use this site to monitor all the Police/Fire/Medical activity tonight, know where all the trouble spots are, etc… Everything pops up on the interactive map, and you can even listen to live radio traffic. If nothing else, it’s fun for an evening shut in by the weather. Enjoy!
That does not do police. That is at radioreferrence.com
WCCCA does all three, it links into the city wide 800 MHz Trunk system. Clackamas County and Washington County are tied together, but Multnomah stands on it’s own set.
I just ment police. Thats a different website to get that feed.
Lots if drizzle falling, streets very wet , temps at 32 and have been for a while but no signs of freezing? Wierd
Check the trees, leaves on bushes, car rooftops?
Nope. Hillsboro/Aloha region is not frozen…..yet
Portland Police are now starting with the road closures due to ice; Skyline is the first, what’s next?
Why is the freezing rain advisory expiring at midnight. Is it supposed to warm up? I guess it will be safe at 12:01 am.
Because maybe they expect the precipitation to end before midnight?
Good question, Thomyee. Was my first thought as well.
KPTV Tower Temps
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/tower_temps/tower_temps.php?&units=F
As of 5 PM (1 hour lag. Updates every :15 after the hour)
Upper Sensor(1818′) 28.2 (27.7 at 4:00 PM)
Middle Sensor(1473′) 27.1 (27.0 at 4:00 PM)
Lower Sensor(1043′) 28.6 (28.9 at 4:00 PM)
No real changes still remain well below freezing.
02z(6 PM) Upper Air Analysis(Observed over PDX)
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanalysis/new/viewsector.php?sector=11
925mb: -1.3c
850mb: -2.2c
700mb: +3.7c
500mb: -16.7c
Looking at the PDX, Langley Hill, and Seattle Radar I sure see a lot more low-level moisture possibly coming tonight than previously thought. Well I seem to think so anyhow.
Freezing rain/drizzle??
Looks like PDX only hit a high of 33 today with light snow/flurries all day long. I notice the Mets all have us dry the rest of the week even with fog. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if we got a repeat of today the next couple of days. It also looks like KGW’s FutureCast called the event and had snow around the region for today but it was the only model calling it. Did any other models other than KGW’s call it? Watch the video.
http://www.kgw.com/weather
KOINs mets, called it last night on: 6 and 11.. weather cast.
Cu dos to them. 30.2 last night, 35.1 this afternoon. 33.8 right now.
Monitoring a few different sources, I recognize how difficult it is to nail a forecast, when we have these types of conditions….
It sure appears that with freezing temps tonight it is going to be
a mess in the morning. Safety First
Was it Mr. Brian Miskimmins? Fine job if so!
Mark, I think so …. forgive me for not being 100%…sure…
GH
BOOM! There it is…
http://inws.wrh.noaa.gov/weather/alertinfo/8678391
Everything not immediately coupled to the ground is beginning to ice over now, 31 degrees. The roads probably aren’t far behind.
Freezing rain advisory for freezing drizzle?
I guess so. Technically, drizzle is a form of rain.
Starting to see some icy patches on the road surface out there now.
I guess so….Might be a crappy drive going to the coast at 6am tomorrow !
Drizzle and light rain now…and 31 degrees. I can see the ice forming on the truck…
Weirdness: a client of mine in se idaho was -19 last night. Western oregon sees freezing fog. And here on a plateau outside of maupin it was 45 with a 20 mph swesterly. Odd variance in the pnw. And a client outside of lewiston had real snow all day.
Milwaukie Dome in full effect, straight rain/drizzle.
Freezing rain at VUO, freezing drizzle at PDX.
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/getobext.php?wfo=pqr&sid=KVUO&num=72
KPTV Tower Temps
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/tower_temps/tower_temps.php?&units=F
As of 4 PM (1 hour lag. Updates every :15 after the hour)
Upper Sensor(1818′) 27.7 (27.5 at 3:00 PM)
Middle Sensor(1473′) 27.0 (26.8 at 3:00 PM)
Lower Sensor(1043′) 28.9 (28.4 at 3:00 PM)
Gradual warming, but still remain well below freezing.
01z(5 PM) Upper Air Analysis(Observed over PDX)
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanalysis/new/viewsector.php?sector=11
925mb: -1.9c
850mb: -2.4c
700mb: +2.7c
500mb: -17.2c
Did the ecmwf not update at 12z today?
Yes it did, and it looked flat out awful.
*barf*
IR Loop
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/ir4km/201301150030.gif
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/wxloop.cgi?ir4km+12
It sure looks like to me that there might be more moisture and it may swing down from the north this evening/overnight. Hmmm…..
That would be fun if we had a surprise! Keep us posted!
Would this be snow or nasty freezing rain? I’m dying for more snow. Today’s surprise just wasn’t enough! (Greedy, I know.)
Well this situation tonight is difficult to forecast. Cold pocket aloft is thicker over some locations and thinner over others. The result is anyone could see Flurries-light snow, Freezing Rain-drizzle, or just a cold Light rain-drizzle.
Snowing again…. Radar looks decent. Obviously the cold layer is still deep enough so we’re not seeing sleet or freezing rain with this.
I stand corrected. Quite a few reports of ZR now. Interesting there are just some cold pockets deeper than others right now, but that often happens when the inversion develops and lowers….
Heaviest snow of the day falling now.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200097839642385&set=a.1155176093208.24401.1641879514&type=1&theater
Getting a silvery layer of sleet/freezing rain on the deck now in Happy Valley.
Interesting that your cold pocket is just a bit thinner there…. Meanwhile it is snowing here…
Probably just the 300 feet of elevation difference. Interesting!
KPTV Tower Temps
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/tower_temps/tower_temps.php?&units=F
As of 3 PM (1 hour lag. Updates every :15 after the hour)
Upper Sensor(1818′) 27.5 (26.8 at 2:00 PM)
Middle Sensor(1473′) 26.8 (26.2 at 2:00 PM)
Lower Sensor(1043′) 28.4 (27.7 at 2:00 PM)
Gradual warming, but still remain well below freezing.
00z(4 PM) Upper Air Analysis(Observed over PDX)
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/mesoanalysis/new/viewsector.php?sector=11
925mb: -1.9c
850mb: -2.6c
700mb: +2.9c
500mb: -17.2c
Temps aloft warming. Inversion episode is beginning….
Reporting from 1,100 ft sandy
Ok…..it was supposed to be clear no worries about low elevation whatever.
O/nite 18 (night before 16. 25 was that day’s hi) hi 28. Afternoon snow showers and freezing rain.
Lets hope we get clear cold weather for the balance of the week. Then bring in another snow event.
I’m sure glad we saw some decent snow this morning even though it didn’t accumulate. It’s just too bad today has turned into an ugly, soupy mess.
Oh should be very fun this evening. The ones from CA who have never seen ice or snow, have fun driving!
I don’t think it’s just the ones from CA who will have fun driving.
I was beyond stoked to wake up to snow falling on the eastside of Vancouver!! I didn’t even care that it wasn’t really sticking. LOL!! And you can call it flurries, freezing drizzle, or whatever you’d like, but I LOVE SNOW!!!!!
“As for precipitation, we shouldn’t get anything other than what we have already seen.”
What we’ve already seen is SNOW!!
Some with big flakes!
But theres been no Stray Albino Donkeys at all. I’m gonna go mad if i dont see any
Ya, we really need some Strays!
Looks like maybe another little batch of something dropping in on us now. And all that gunk in central Washington. Will it disipate much like this mornings did?
So this clearly means we will get heavy snow. Bring on 6 inches of snow!
I’m with you: bring it on!! =D
Any mariners out there? This one looks ugly….
http://gcaptain.com/dangerous-storm-brewing-northern/
Yeah that’s the one I posted about last night. It was projected to deepen 50mph in 24 hours! That’s a “bomb” very strong cyclogenesis.
Here are 2 images of that storm
http://sat.wrh.noaa.gov/satellite/other/WVCMP.GIF
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/mtsat/nwpac/wv-l.jpg
Could that have any effect on us?
Nah. Probably northeast towards Bering Sea or the western Aleutians. However, it is reasonable to suggest this low could serve to “Clear out the Pacific” and pump up a massive ridge ahead of it near 160 W….
Should be fun…
You in!
Sorry if im missing one small tiny detail but whats this “You in!” thing?
I think its kinda like Austin Powers saying Yeah, Baby!!
I really like the way you put that, runrain!
Hahaah!
https://www.youtube.com/tv?vq=large#/watch?v=J2HBdRCroks&mode=transport